GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Mark Yacavone]

There are more opinions in this thread than in Bruce's poll..

Must be a lot of uninvolved third parties here.

[Jim Fitzpatrick]

X_TECH MAN is totally correct. We saved enough money to purchase a second home. Thanks NHRA, I never realized how much you cared..... Jim

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Hope your not including the 351" crate engine in that. 312 HP?

Ed I don't see a 351 or an engine factored at 312hp in the '13 options.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by D.Johns

That was actually a serious question. What do people believe is a fair and honest rating for my car? 450-475-500-525-550-575-600-800?

What abou the other combos? What is a fair and honest rating in the eyes of the peers? What would you have rated them at if you were putting them in the guide? Again not talking class just HP?

As far as the supercharged cars go, I'd say 500 is about right for the smaller blower cars. The ones like yours and the COPO with the 2.9L blower maybe 20-30 more, I'm not sure how much better it is.

The 427 COPO would be closer around 460 I'd say, and the 428/427 CJ around 440-450. The 2010 352 CJ should be around 400, as should the 2012 363 (comparing it to the 5.7L hemi which still qualifies at the top). The 2010 281 CJ should probably be 310-315 or so, and the 2012 302 maybe 360-370. I'd put the 2013 302 CJ around 410-415.

The 5.7L and 6.1L DPs seem to be rated pretty fair now (421 and 440), the 6.4 probably needs another 20 or so to be rated similar to the 6.1, and the 5.9 should be around 375.

These are just my estimations as to what I think would be a lot closer, some still might be a little too soft, some maybe a little too hard. It's also difficult to compare when you get to the higher classes because the indexes as you move from A->CC->BB etc get so much tougher.

[Charley Downing]

Yea Andie my 281 motor rated at 315hp while the 1991 350 corvette is rated at 260hp(with a stick). That's real fair. The 281 in STK (with a current HP rating of around 260HP) is within 15 HP of where it needs to be(275-280).
If my motor is 50 HP soft, then your combo is 25 HP soft.

If your dad and others( bruce) hate NHRA so much why do you guys still race with them? No one is make you guys pay your memberships. Like it was posted earlier, take 2013 off and see if NHRA cares. But I can bet they could not give a **$$ if 50 or so of you take this year off.

[Andrew Hill]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Yea Andie my 281 motor rated at 315hp while the 1991 350 corvette is rated at 260hp(with a stick). That's real fair.

That one's soft as hell too, but if we're talking sticks, the 5.7 Hemi at 305 takes the cake. If I'm not mistaken, that 350 Corvette has a terrible intake, it would be an even better superstock combination.

Do you not think your motor can make close to 1.75 hp per cubic inch?

If your dad and others( bruce) hate NHRA so much why do you guys still race with them? No one is make you guys pay your memberships. Like it was posted earlier, take 2013 off and see if NHRA cares. But I can bet they could not give a **$$ if 50 or so of you take this year off.

If I wasn't racing he probably wouldn't. I think he likes the beer drinking aspect the most anyways.

[Charley Downing]

No Andie , between 442-453 is all HP we could get out of the new motor at big stuffs two weeks ago. With good pistons .70 over, killer stocker ring package and a new set of killer heads. And one of the best tuners in the country. No matter how good of parts we have we still only have 281CI to work with.
There is not that much to gain with this new stuff. The factory part are really good. We spent over 14 grand on the new motor with all kinds od stocker tricks and picked up 12-15 HP over the old mostly stock stuff wich made 440 HP.
I might be able to make 490-500 HP with a SS intake, SS pistons, SS heads and a few other SS things, but I still think 480-490 HP is around the max for a SS motor.

If you dad likes coming just to hang out he should be more like Bob and not care what the new cars are doing. Just where to eat.

[Andrew Hill]

The main problem I have with the bogus HP factors is that the performance aspect of class racing is already going by the wayside, and that is the only thing that separates stock and superstock from normal bracket racing. I like bracket racing, but heads ups and class are what make stock/ss the absolute best.

Imagine this: D/SA at Indy including myself, Randi Lynn Shipp, Bryan Phillips, Brad VanLant, Adam Davis, Tommy Gaynor, Leo Glasbrenner, Paul Boster, Vic Guilmino, and I'm sure there are some other really fast cars I'm forgetting. 350 Chevys, 400 Pontiacs, 340 Chryslers, LS1, 396 Chevy, maybe throw in a fast LT1. Talk about a bad *** class race. Then imagine one 352 Ford that's been prepared well and will run about .4 faster than any car on that list. Now everyone's racing for second place.

[Conway Witten]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I have said it before but it does no good. You guys with the older cars do not listen. Take 2013 off. Just race your local circuit races and work on your equipment. Stay close to home and save a ton of money for the next year. The ONLY way NHRA will listen is if you hit them in their wallets. It will take a 100% effort on each of you. They dont care about you any other way other than your dollars. Let the rich guys have at it with their new super cars. Maybe the AHFS will work quicker. Sooner or later NHRA will see what is going on. If not.....What have you lost ? Not much from what I see. Either that or keep taking it up your shorts !

Could this be away for NHRA to deal with pain in the butt class racers and do away with stock all together the go all super gas type classes? All class racers think super gas type cars are weak? But they are simple to tech will pay their entries and never cry. Just a thought?
Conway

[Charley Downing]

Andie, who won C/SA and D/SA at Indy this year?

Conway lets not give NHRA any ideas. Beside that would be bad for you and JT. You guys would have way less customers if STK or SS went away.