Econo Modified

[FINESPLINE]

I here you loud and clear, Ed. Unfortunately, more and more people in the sport are coming to realize that maybe the NHRA is not the answer to their racing wants and needs. As you well know there are many ways to go racing and this is just ideas being thrown out there for people who would just like to run heads up all the time and keep the costs in line without a chance of being scrapped by the stroke of a pen.

[randy wilson]

No, Wrong. Fair for everyone is bracket racing. Very boring, but fair. Spec head racing is affordable, and the chance of being competitive is fair. But still, at the end of the day, the guy who crosses the finish line first, is the winner.
you know you're actually racing, when you don't need clocks, and or computers to determine the winner. A win loss light would suffice. Ha!

[randy wilson]

Good point on the heads SS. Was just curious was all. Not trying to stir anything up. Manns was an animal with the vortec, bowtie deal. I'll hand him that. But, at this rate, his stuff is already obsolete. My point again. Any manufacturer can keep producing a dominate head. So what? Proves nothing. Everyone playing on the exact same plane, proves a lot. There again, what's to stop GM or any others producing a killer head in cast iron, and peeing in everyone's post toasties?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by randy wilson

Good point on the heads SS. Was just curious was all. Not trying to stir anything up. Manns was an animal with the vortec, bowtie deal. I'll hand him that. But, at this rate, his stuff is already obsolete. My point again. Any manufacturer can keep producing a dominate head. So what? Proves nothing. Everyone playing on the exact same plane, proves a lot. There again, what's to stop GM or any others producing a killer head in cast iron, and peeing in everyone's post toasties?

Randy, I believe if NHRA created a class with a spec head, small block class, standard deck block, no short deck, 10.5 tire and lbs/CID with no break out rules, there would be many participants. Nevertheless, like always happens, someone would request a rule change and the class will go down the toilet.

Also, if NHRA approves the rule change for any aftermarket cast iron head, like said before, the class will be a Chevy engine class only. No aftermarket company will invest in creating a cast iron racing cylinder head for other makes in limited quantities when everybody prefers and easy to port and lightweight aluminum head.

The Pro Action heads were developed in Australia and then acquired by RHS. The cast iron LS-1 was only available two years in GM trucks and the aftermarket racing LS cast iron block is actually a GM truck production block.

All this said, this will force the Ford and Mopar products to race in the higher SS/Mod classes with aluminum heads, or race in the Super Modified class in Comp Eliminator.

[Ron E]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Randy, I believe if NHRA created a class with a spec head, small block class, standard deck block, no short deck, 10.5 tire and lbs/CID with no break out rules, there would be many participants. Nevertheless, like always happens, someone would request a rule change and the class will go down the toilet.

Also, if NHRA approves the rule change for any aftermarket cast iron head, like said before, the class will be a Chevy engine class only. No aftermarket company will invest in creating a cast iron racing cylinder head for other makes in limited quantities when everybody prefers and easy to port and lightweight aluminum head.

The Pro Action heads were developed in Australia and then acquired by RHS. The cast iron LS-1 was only available two years in GM trucks and the aftermarket racing LS cast iron block is actually a GM truck production block.

All this said, this will force the Ford and Mopar products to race in the higher SS/Mod classes with aluminum heads, or race in the Super Modified class in Comp Eliminator.

I've seen those spec heads where the logo is cast into the floor. Those could get the regular undercover style port work, and a CNC shop could machine the logo back in. If the legal head comes with a machined logo, the porter does all his finish work first. If the logo is cast in, the heads get the finish work after the CNC'ed logo is done. Just mentioning because it will happen.

Its like the NASCAR Late Model Stock round track cars. ( primary market for the W2 and 351N.). They have little 2-bbls. specific intake, and head part numbers. No porting allowed on either. Many strict rules all the way to, and including the primary tube size and collector type and size. The result has been a high "dollar-per-HP" ratio. A "will pass tech" 2-bbl that dynos any amount measurable better is suddenly worth a bunch. Same with every other spec'ed part. Add in the regular trips to the barn if you run good, all these rules made the class more expensive.

There is nothing I'd love more than an affordable heads up class. I hope it can be worked out so big spenders advantage can be minimized. It would be a hit with spectators and racers.

On the SS/CS thing. Who is/was pushing for the new head rules? As they stand now, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge guys have zero to bitch about. The potential is as evenly matched as you'll find anywhere. Just who had to go and cry for a new head? If it was a well connected racer, you'll still suck because the right people can set records with any of the current brands. If it was corporate, remember Top Stock.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ron E

On the SS/CS thing. Who is/was pushing for the new head rules? As they stand now, Chevy, Ford, and Dodge guys have zero to bitch about. The potential is as evenly matched as you'll find anywhere. Just who had to go and cry for a new head? If it was a well connected racer, you'll still suck because the right people can set records with any of the current brands. If it was corporate, remember Top Stock.

Been told two stories; someone complained about the valve angles on the W2 and N351 cylinder heads and the other story about lack of Bow Tie Vortec Phase Two heads which it is a lot of baloney.