Want a list of SS or Stk cars sitting.

[Ron Middleton]

Claimer classes haven't worked in stock car racing for quite a few years and for several reasons. Many times the price was set too low and no one wants to lose what they actually have worked on for less than what it costs to replace. And it still doesn't stop the money part of it. If someone wants to just throw away money (and there always is someone that will do this just to win) they will do so. Crate motor classes don't work that well either. I know some teams that buy up to 10 motors, dyno them all, then sell off the all but 2 of the engines. No money savings there and still unequal. Same would happen in drag racing.
An very good engine builder near here was taking Chevy crate motors and just going through the motors and machining to specs and finding almost 40hp over what they motors were making just as they were shipped from GM. There will always be cheaters so I don't think it'll work from what I've seen. JMT.

[randy wilson]

I agree, but Brodix spec head racing is alive and well in roundly round land.

[Dick Butler]

Thanks for the responses. I have been busy at work.
No not a claimer class.
Yes I am dedicated or persistantly interested in helping start a basic class for SS or STK where you dont have to spend $50K for the motor or become extinct next week by a bogus HP rating because HP is subjective, CU IN is objective. A 350 this week is 350 next week. A 295 HP this week "Might be "305 Next week or worse. A class of 9 or 10 NHRA former record holders could be gone when someone discover a 265 HP 454 in your class and can run.5 to .7 faster in INDY without factoring.
Yes I have experience, 30 or 35 Wallys in my house.?five Indy Class wins in GT/AA, One year won class at 5 National events and that was no bye runs.. SS/EA vette which won many class trophies.I won Indy Points meet and RU at at least two others.Not to brag but to inform people I have been there and loved it.
Now each and every car I have owned, sweat over day and nights I LOVED. They ran well but each was made extinct by a bogus HP rating for or against it.
They CANNOT factor cubic inchs but you know the risk of HP ratings staying unfair of becoming unfair overnight...
That said- Modified type class of lb/cubic inch allowing you to use your 69 camaro, 70s Dart, or mustang with a Brodix head, 350 cubic inch stick or auto would be a level field if you LIMIT the options and tech the class. Or as I have seen the DR350 Chevy motor
sealed could be a one motor class with low budget. Brodix can tech a head of question and all three have been flowed and are very close to equal.
No al rods, no knife edge cranks, no external oil pump. Same carbs and no fab manifolds.
See the point ? Create a level field with NO modifications of a motor (SEALED) or Lb/cubic inch with very limited rules on mods and TECH them.

[Dick Butler]

Nova dude. If your car is a chevy would you buy an $1800 Complete motor and go racing ? What if the class was given an index in Stk or SS and you could run at Points races till enough cars showed up to have a heads up race?

[Dick Butler]

Todd, unfortunately a GT stk class does not address costs, factoring or.....again just another place to pour money.

[Chris1529]

[QUOTE=Dick Butler;447433]Todd, unfortunately a GT stk class does not address costs, factoring or.....again just another place to pour money.[/QUOTE

since when does GT stock not exist?

[novassdude]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Nova dude. If your car is a chevy would you buy an $1800 Complete motor and go racing ? What if the class was given an index in Stk or SS and you could run at Points races till enough cars showed up to have a heads up race?

No I would still not do it there is no such thing as a low cost heads up class. If they gave you the engine for free the guy with the most money would still win. As he would test 10 different converters and transmissions to find the ideal setup. And that’s fine. Other than what the NHRA has done with the factory cars it is all good.
The car as it sits is NHRA legal and could be ready to go in a matter of a day or two. For me right now there are just things I am enjoying doing more than racing stock. At some point I will get the itch again and dust the car off do what needs updating as I am sure NHRA will add some enhancements by that time that will need addressed. And I will bring it back out.

[randy wilson]

I doubt anyone with 20 converters is going to have an advantage over a typical clutch car. Because from what I'm hearing an auto will run heads up with the clutch cars. And I really don't think a standard trans is as temperamental as an auto.

[Dick Butler]

Mark, Yes, make It simple for the racers and it is cheaper. Make it simple for the spectator and they can watch a friend win or at least compete. They can see if he wins or loses by the light in his lane.
They will come to watch this class if it becomes its own. Also when Jr. Stock was popular many people could just get into it this week and become more competitive as they could afford.
One other problem is too many of the todays racers know many subtle tricks which took years to become known in the general racing.
My Goals:1)Simplify the allowed modifications(keep it cheaper)
2) create a better entry point into class type racing
3) Draw in more spectators to watch, understand and enjoy class racing.
4) Keep the table level without need for outside factoring.( a 350 today is a 350 tomorrow)(not so with HP factoring)

[Todd Leitner]

Some sort of GT classes in stock might be interesting, newer engines, or crate engines in older cars. Some more choices instead of the antiques we run now.