2015 Rules

[Larry Hill]

Based on how fast the showdown cars went in Vegas, an altitude adjusted track. it looks to me that a .6 second reduction in index for FS/A and FS/B would be correct. That would bring the winners of FS/A and FS/B to about -.95 under. So if they work on there cars this winter.... the good ones will be -1.05 under at Indy.

We will all be disappointed if the indexes are so soft that all of the byes will go to all of the 2008 and up FS cars.

[Ed Wright]

Larry, to keep their race sponsors happy, you can bet the indexes will be at least as soft as they are now. About all we will gain is no heads ups with them.


If I hit the Powerball, I'm still going to fix that 360". LOL!!

[Ven302]

SS/CS Heads,
I talked with Bruce this afternoon, he told me that presently only two heads are approved ( both from Dart for the chevy), one is a 180 cc, the scary one is the 230cc 308 cfm head as cast. I got the feeling that just any iron heads wont be the deal. But they needed to have something to help the Chevrolet guys as they were cracking heads in short order. Knowing what these engines can break, I would not wish that on anybody. While I am concerned we all know that port volume or cfm do not only make the HP, I have worked an awful lot of stuff to find .07 over the year, so I cant imagine we will be obsolete, YET. Bruce and the NHRA seem to be aware of how touchy this is. The good thing is that there should be more trying out the SS/CS water, I can attest to the warmth (DAMN near boiling!). My biggest fear is that the class dwindles to 5 or 6 cars then gets written off.

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ven302

SS/CS Heads,
I talked with Bruce this afternoon, he told me that presently only two heads are approved ( both from Dart for the chevy), one is a 180 cc, the scary one is the 230cc 308 cfm head as cast. I got the feeling that just any iron heads wont be the deal. But they needed to have something to help the Chevrolet guys as they were cracking heads in short order. Knowing what these engines can break, I would not wish that on anybody. While I am concerned we all know that port volume or cfm do not only make the HP, I have worked an awful lot of stuff to find .07 over the year, so I cant imagine we will be obsolete, YET. Bruce and the NHRA seem to be aware of how touchy this is. The good thing is that there should be more trying out the SS/CS water, I can attest to the warmth (DAMN near boiling!). My biggest fear is that the class dwindles to 5 or 6 cars then gets written off.

Vince, I was told a complete different story and that ANY aftermarket cast iron head will be allowed. Was also told that the GM LS cast iron 1999-2000, 6.0L,OEM truck 873 casting cylinder head was approved. This cast iron head, untouched, already has 210cc intake runner volume with a 2.0" intake valve. Add bigger valves and some extensive porting, they will flow 360+ CFM's.

If any of the Ford racers are interested, I know were a pair of brand new untouched RHS Ford, 20 degree cast iron cylinder heads with 225cc intake volume heads and 57cc chambers, are located.

[Bob Mulry]

Shifting gears from the Pro Stock Stockers..............

After 15 years of lobbying NHRA for head studs they finally did it......

No more Heli-Coils in 40 year old blocks.......

Thanks to NHRA...Better late than never........

Bob

[Ven302]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Vince, I was told a complete different story and that ANY aftermarket cast iron head will be allowed. Was also told that the GM LS cast iron 1999-2000, 6.0L,OEM truck 873 casting cylinder head was approved. This cast iron head, untouched, already has 210cc intake runner volume with a 2.0" intake valve. Add bigger valves and some extensive porting, they will flow 360+ CFM's.

If any of the Ford racers are interested, I know were a pair of brand new untouched RHS Ford, 20 degree cast iron cylinder heads with 225cc intake volume heads and 57cc chambers, are located.

Its VENICE,

The rule does not say ANY, it says aftermarket, and I specifically asked about rolled over and Australian pro action stuff when I talked with Bruce. That is not the intent. NHRA always has to have something aftermarket on the approved list, so far there are only two. My only concern is that as a class competitor we were not asked our opinion. Nonetheless it would not be wise to start a cylinder head program for one of these cars without making sure the castings are legit. There is no proof that either of those heads are going to ruin my combo, and if it makes more people think they can do it easier I am all for that. I will take Bruce on his word before i would build an engine on hearsay. DO YOU run CS? If so you should put your name on your posts. I am sure Bogner, Menard (RWR). Hudson, Antonette, Mans, Groves et-al ( sorry if I missed anyone) know what it takes to go fast in this class. The heads are just one piece of the puzzle. Its really easy to put one of these together, bring it on out!

[Marty Buth]

So, if a car running in one of the FS classes is the only one in their class at a National event where class wins are contested, will they be folded into the combo with non FS stock eliminator cars or will FS cars have their own combo?

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Ven302

SS/CS Heads,
I talked with Bruce this afternoon, he told me that presently only two heads are approved ( both from Dart for the chevy), one is a 180 cc, the scary one is the 230cc 308 cfm head as cast. I got the feeling that just any iron heads wont be the deal. But they needed to have something to help the Chevrolet guys as they were cracking heads in short order. Knowing what these engines can break, I would not wish that on anybody. While I am concerned we all know that port volume or cfm do not only make the HP, I have worked an awful lot of stuff to find .07 over the year, so I cant imagine we will be obsolete, YET. Bruce and the NHRA seem to be aware of how touchy this is. The good thing is that there should be more trying out the SS/CS water, I can attest to the warmth (DAMN near boiling!). My biggest fear is that the class dwindles to 5 or 6 cars then gets written off.

My APOLOGIES for misspelling your name, Venice.

If they are the only two approved cylinder heads for the GM brand, then NHRA has to publish it. Too many times I have been told by NHRA to go ahead and proceed to do a change even when I have been given a written approval just to be rescinded months later. Therefore, unless it is on the approved list, there are no guarantees.

As a matter of fact, I proposed the RHS/Pro Action cylinder heads for the Ford application as an alternate cylinder head. I submitted all the technical data, pictures and even offered to bring a head to a race. After awaiting for a response for a full year, I just gave up.

As regards to running SS/CS, I was going to run in the class. Nevertheless, since I already had knowledge of the upcoming rule and it will eventually be an exercise in futility, the car is being built to run in Comp Eliminator Super Modified with D3 cylinder heads.

As regards to the LS cast iron cylinder head, it will outflow the N351 and it is an OEM cylinder head according to NHRA.

[Another Friendly Racer]

Mr. (or Mrs.) FS FAN,

Be careful what we wish for? You are right. I should continue to show up at the track and get my doors blown off week in and week out by a new car. Yep, good idea. Let the new cars win and guys with an old car, go be a duck a smile. Hey, 1 out of a 100 times an old car will win, look at this one race at indy!

Thank you NHRA! I really don't care if I can no longer qualify at Indy, at least I can race again.

[FS Fan]

Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer

Mr. (or Mrs.) FS FAN,

Be careful what we wish for? You are right. I should continue to show up at the track and get my doors blown off week in and week out by a new car. Yep, good idea. Let the new cars win and guys with an old car, go be a duck a smile. Hey, 1 out of a 100 times an old car will win, look at this one race at indy!

Thank you NHRA! I really don't care if I can no longer qualify at Indy, at least I can race again.

Please share with us the time or times your doors were blown off by a new car that you were the fastest older car and you could not have moved to a different class to avoid a new car. I am asking for a specific race.

If you weren't the fastest older car then what does it matter who beat you?

If you could have moved to avoid a new car why didn't you?

And lastly is there no old car that has a softer rating than you? You've been the fastest car forever in your class? Never has a car gotten factored away from your class?