2015 Rules

Another Friendly Racer · 10-31-2014, 09:25 AM

Mr. (or Mrs.) FS FAN,

Be careful what we wish for? You are right. I should continue to show up at the track and get my doors blown off week in and week out by a new car. Yep, good idea. Let the new cars win and guys with an old car, go be a duck a smile. Hey, 1 out of a 100 times an old car will win, look at this one race at indy!

Thank you NHRA! I really don't care if I can no longer qualify at Indy, at least I can race again.

FS Fan · 10-31-2014, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Another Friendly Racer

Mr. (or Mrs.) FS FAN,

Be careful what we wish for? You are right. I should continue to show up at the track and get my doors blown off week in and week out by a new car. Yep, good idea. Let the new cars win and guys with an old car, go be a duck a smile. Hey, 1 out of a 100 times an old car will win, look at this one race at indy!

Thank you NHRA! I really don't care if I can no longer qualify at Indy, at least I can race again.

Please share with us the time or times your doors were blown off by a new car that you were the fastest older car and you could not have moved to a different class to avoid a new car. I am asking for a specific race.

If you weren't the fastest older car then what does it matter who beat you?

If you could have moved to avoid a new car why didn't you?

And lastly is there no old car that has a softer rating than you? You've been the fastest car forever in your class? Never has a car gotten factored away from your class?

Bruce Noland · 10-31-2014, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by FS Fan

Please share with us the time or times your doors were blown off by a new car that you were the fastest older car and you could not have moved to a different class to avoid a new car. I am asking for a specific race.

If you weren't the fastest older car then what does it matter who beat you?

If you could have moved to avoid a new car why didn't you?

And lastly is there no old car that has a softer rating than you? You've been the fastest car forever in your class? Never has a car gotten factored away from your class?

Dude you are in the wrong place for your no-name, chicken hearted BS. I have had to deal with this crapolla for six years and now it looks like the new cars are where they belong. These new classes simply confirm what many of us said years ago. That is, they had no business in regular Stock and Super Stock Classes.

FS Fan · 10-31-2014, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Dude you are in the wrong place for your no-name, chicken hearted BS. I have had to deal with this crapolla for six years and now it looks like the new cars are where they belong. These new classes simply confirm what many of us said years ago. That is, they had no business in regular Stock and Super Stock Classes.

Bruce,
You are right. When you state your position so eloquently how could I not be swayed.

I'm looking forward to seeing you rack up class win after win, and dominate the many heads up runs you have in the eliminator. Cheers!

Bruce Noland · 10-31-2014, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FS Fan

Bruce,
You are right. When you state your position so eloquently how could I not be swayed.

I'm looking forward to seeing you rack up class win after win, and dominate the many heads up runs you have in the eliminator. Cheers!

Won class twice this year and have the fastest pass of the year so far by a real A/SA Stocker. And you're full of poop. How's that for eloquence?

Superfan1 · 10-31-2014, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Won class twice this year and have the fastest pass of the year so far by a real A/SA Stocker. And you're full of poop. How's that for eloquence?

That's eloquent in my book; give 'em hell Bruce!

Jeff Teuton · 10-31-2014, 02:52 PM

Ed, the 360 appeared in 71 I think. Then about 76.348 revisions with heads, pistons, manifolds, and god knows what else mostly for emissions, then the lifters were changed to rollers mid 80, then on and on then the magnum with efi cause it absolutely won't pass emissions, then the DP motor. And lot's in between. It ain't new by any means. It's still the same basic lower motor from 71 with knock off Edlebrock heads and a single plane manifold (in stock). Super Stock of course is a little different. To give you an idea, the pistons are 100 grams heavier than a 360 Magnum truck motor. Now for the Chevies, when you need something you can go to Wal Mart, CVS, Target, Cosco and get ready to race heads, and any other part you need at reduced prices and available at midnight. With all the research and devleopment and parts availablity, your car should go 8.90's and you should be kickin the DP's tail (tale). You need to work on that thing. And what is the wheelbase on your car? 90 inches. These DP's are so long they are articulated in the middle. Did yall know emissions actually started with the 68 model cars. It didn't come back around till EFI and total engine and car management. Just you history lesson for today. Test next Friday.

Larry Hill · 10-31-2014, 03:06 PM

On the Factory Showdown cars a .6 second reduction would be a real number on the indexes. I did go back and look at Indy, Maple Grove, and Gainesville , most of the cars in the finals were about 1.50 to 1.60 under. A .6 second reduction will bring the under number to close to 1.00 second under the index. The cars that can run 1.00 + under at Indy are all good cars.

Every once in a while some odd combo comes out and runs a little further under, but not that often.

The indexes of the new FS class cars will say a lot!

Jim Kaekel · 10-31-2014, 12:43 PM

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Bruce,
You are right. When you state your position so eloquently how could I not be swayed.

I'm looking forward to seeing you rack up class win after win, and dominate the many heads up runs you have in the eliminator. Cheers!

I've been a victim of a heads-up race with a newer car that was basically a "drive-by" shooting. I'll tell you, it's no fun and how can someone boast that they won a race when they have a totally bogus HP rating. I actually like the Drag-Paks, CJ's and COPOS, but they don't belong in Stock Eliminator. They belong in SS. I'm just glad that at least, they're in their own classes now. Hey, I even use my real name 'cause I've got a "sack".

Jeff Teuton · 10-31-2014, 12:38 PM

My numbers for the FS Shootout Indexes were lower than NHRA used last year. My numbers for this year are 9.60, 10.0 and for another idea I proposed is FS/N for Nostalgia. 8.25 lbs 11.10 index no ahfs and no runnoff between the classes. FS/N for 72 +/- and older. And Larry, your analization of LV shootout numbers; you know as well as I, there can be no more fickle track that LV. You can't judge that track by anything. And another thing for the Shootouts, only 10 cars can transfer to the A Main (stock eliminator) if all 10 qualify, which at those numbers might be questionable. We can fuss about that all day. We are still fussing about Adam and Eve. I really don't understand the SS Changes. We are moving forward with two new cars for next year in Stock. And Ed, I can run 8.90 with my 360, but I don't, and specs are important, but performance dictates the things we are talking about. And as far as thrashing, I been thrashing on Mopars since 1968. However I am a slow learner. Maybe that's it.

10-31-2014, 09:25 AM	#1
Another Friendly Racer Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 152 Likes: 0 Liked 19 Times in 6 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Mr. (or Mrs.) FS FAN, Be careful what we wish for? You are right. I should continue to show up at the track and get my doors blown off week in and week out by a new car. Yep, good idea. Let the new cars win and guys with an old car, go be a duck a smile. Hey, 1 out of a 100 times an old car will win, look at this one race at indy! Thank you NHRA! I really don't care if I can no longer qualify at Indy, at least I can race again.

10-31-2014, 02:52 PM	#7
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules Ed, the 360 appeared in 71 I think. Then about 76.348 revisions with heads, pistons, manifolds, and god knows what else mostly for emissions, then the lifters were changed to rollers mid 80, then on and on then the magnum with efi cause it absolutely won't pass emissions, then the DP motor. And lot's in between. It ain't new by any means. It's still the same basic lower motor from 71 with knock off Edlebrock heads and a single plane manifold (in stock). Super Stock of course is a little different. To give you an idea, the pistons are 100 grams heavier than a 360 Magnum truck motor. Now for the Chevies, when you need something you can go to Wal Mart, CVS, Target, Cosco and get ready to race heads, and any other part you need at reduced prices and available at midnight. With all the research and devleopment and parts availablity, your car should go 8.90's and you should be kickin the DP's tail (tale). You need to work on that thing. And what is the wheelbase on your car? 90 inches. These DP's are so long they are articulated in the middle. Did yall know emissions actually started with the 68 model cars. It didn't come back around till EFI and total engine and car management. Just you history lesson for today. Test next Friday. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

10-31-2014, 03:06 PM	#8
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,629 Likes: 1,919 Liked 10,681 Times in 2,222 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules On the Factory Showdown cars a .6 second reduction would be a real number on the indexes. I did go back and look at Indy, Maple Grove, and Gainesville , most of the cars in the finals were about 1.50 to 1.60 under. A .6 second reduction will bring the under number to close to 1.00 second under the index. The cars that can run 1.00 + under at Indy are all good cars. Every once in a while some odd combo comes out and runs a little further under, but not that often. The indexes of the new FS class cars will say a lot! __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

10-31-2014, 12:38 PM	#10
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 2015 Rules My numbers for the FS Shootout Indexes were lower than NHRA used last year. My numbers for this year are 9.60, 10.0 and for another idea I proposed is FS/N for Nostalgia. 8.25 lbs 11.10 index no ahfs and no runnoff between the classes. FS/N for 72 +/- and older. And Larry, your analization of LV shootout numbers; you know as well as I, there can be no more fickle track that LV. You can't judge that track by anything. And another thing for the Shootouts, only 10 cars can transfer to the A Main (stock eliminator) if all 10 qualify, which at those numbers might be questionable. We can fuss about that all day. We are still fussing about Adam and Eve. I really don't understand the SS Changes. We are moving forward with two new cars for next year in Stock. And Ed, I can run 8.90 with my 360, but I don't, and specs are important, but performance dictates the things we are talking about. And as far as thrashing, I been thrashing on Mopars since 1968. However I am a slow learner. Maybe that's it. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK