Important if you run D-H/S or SA

[Jim Storms]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I'm afraid I will have to invoke the Chuck Rayburn Rules of Discussion. Rule No. 1, If you have no car, you have no vote. Rule No. 2, If the discussion is about a specific car or combo, and you don't race that car or combo, you got no vote.

Hi Jeff. May be a dumb question, so back in the day, why did the LD4B and the LD340 get there factory part numbers placed on them? I guess there were obvious reasons.

[Jim Storms]

I guess while the topic is up , as a 340 owner myself and knowing the 2 aluminum intakes that have factory part numbers, not really knowing the other brands, did any of them receive alternative intakes back in the day?? Just curious!! Or was Edelbrock only sleeping with Chrysler engineers???....,,

[B Aceves]

Once again you Mopar guys have with a stroke of a pen managed to have stock take another step back.
I'm not sure how you managed to convince that there is no advantage to this intake but I will do my best now to convince them they are wrong .
Enough is Enough with this BS.

[Jeff Teuton]

One rule of thumb is any Edlebrock manifold that Chrysler used ( 69 440 6, late 70, etc)had Edlebrock and the casting number embossed on them in that time period. And they made stuff for all the manufacturers. I think the 396 Chevy had that manifold with the middle machined out that became legal and I think the 70 350 Chevy had a couple of alternate manifolds. Any know how that came about. That part number is definitely that time period. Being as NHRA has the Technical Service Bulletin number from 73 or 74 that allowed that piece, I am trying to find someone who has all those old TSB's. I think they (the intake) have been out there for some time. Anybody got one and where and when did you get it. Anybody got a factory cut manifold for the 396. There are a couple in my shop that belong to Helms. When did that happen. I know there is an NHRA letter saying it's ok. Anybody got that while we are talking. Just as soon get all the old stuff out of the system. Then we can start with the 80's and 90's crap and then we can move in the 2008 and later stuff. Somebody order pizza and we can watch the Super Bowl while we do this.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Jim Storms

I guess while the topic is up , as a 340 owner myself and knowing the 2 aluminum intakes that have factory part numbers, not really knowing the other brands, did any of them receive alternative intakes back in the day?? Just curious!! Or was Edelbrock only sleeping with Chrysler engineers???....,,

AMC had an Edelbrock R4B manifold with an AMC part number and in the AMC parts book. But when it was proposed as a legal part a few years ago, it was squashed like a cockroach. I guess the smell of this MoPar cockroach has been ignored.

[Tom keedle]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

AMC had an Edelbrock R4B manifold with an AMC part number and in the AMC parts book. But when it was proposed as a legal part a few years ago, it was squashed like a cockroach. I guess the smell of this MoPar cockroach has been ignored.

and I got blamed for it...

and the QFT carb.

[Adger Smith]

Joe,(Div 6)
I do have all the paper work and the story on the AMC issues. I was poking fun at Jeff Lee. There was actually a couple more guys that "Lost Bigger" in that deal than he did. I had 2 engine customers involved when the AMC approvals were rescinded. Yes, it cost me and them, but it was probably the right thing for NHRA to do. This manifold deal I have no dog in, but if it is going to be allowed they should look at the Z-28 Cross Ram and the '67 L-88, (can you say Camaro Cowl Hood)...to apply the same fairness and the Spirit of making the rules. At the Least those 2 or 3 issues need to be addressed. The LD manifold & AVS.. OK it fits, but for a Thermo Quad carb, come on...

[Jim Storms]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Joe,(Div 6)
I do have all the paper work and the story on the AMC issues. I was poking fun at Jeff Lee. There was actually a couple more guys that "Lost Bigger" in that deal than he did. I had 2 engine customers involved when the AMC approvals were rescinded. Yes, it cost me and them, but it was probably the right thing for NHRA to do. This manifold deal I have no dog in, but if it is going to be allowed they should look at the Z-28 Cross Ram and the '67 L-88, (can you say Camaro Cowl Hood)...to apply the same fairness and the Spirit of making the rules. At the Least those 2 or 3 issues need to be addressed. The LD manifold & AVS.. OK it fits, but for a Thermo Quad carb, come on...

I'm sure the 71 year will be corrected in the guide. 68-70 only AVS

[Gordie Kissner]

Originally Posted by Jim Storms

I'm sure the 71 year will be corrected in the guide. 68-70 only AVS

I have the spread bore version of the LD340 with the Chrysler part number on it..and yes it's an unmodified original and no its not for sale. lol

And no, I don't currently have a dog in the fight!

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Joe,(Div 6)
I do have all the paper work and the story on the AMC issues. I was poking fun at Jeff Lee. There was actually a couple more guys that "Lost Bigger" in that deal than he did. I had 2 engine customers involved when the AMC approvals were rescinded. Yes, it cost me and them, but it was probably the right thing for NHRA to do. This manifold deal I have no dog in, but if it is going to be allowed they should look at the Z-28 Cross Ram and the '67 L-88, (can you say Camaro Cowl Hood)...to apply the same fairness and the Spirit of making the rules. At the Least those 2 or 3 issues need to be addressed. The LD manifold & AVS.. OK it fits, but for a Thermo Quad carb, come on...

Adger,

I understand what you are saying, however, if it was the right thing to do by NHRA, why would they make an example with the AMC racers, the smallest OEM brand/make in numbers of competitors, when there are other makes/brands that were given even bigger allowances in the past?

How about Boss 351 engines with Holley carburetors?
How about Chevy 283 engines with 327 intakes?
How about the single carburetor Hemi engine that was a NASCAR option?
How about higher lift off road cams for FE engines that were allowed just with a letter?

...and let's not forget illegal spec pistons when compared to the OEM piston, that have been approved?

I could write a book regarding the inconsistencies when changes were applied and allowed without any justifiable objective evidence or just by the stroke of a pen.

My point is that if NHRA was going to make an example, they should have made it across the board and not on a specific make and then continue approving aftermarket parts on other makes and brands.

Like Dr. Spock would say, "it's illogical"!