.370 back to .400 Pro Tree

[Maverick]

Use to be super Street was 2500 pound minimum, and they had .4 tenths pro tree. They changed that, now we have 150+ 10.90 cars

[Tom Goldman]

Originally Posted by Maverick

I think nhra needs to take a vote, like they did a few years ago, on changing the indexs. I guess if you want to give everyone a chance, make it one second between the yelloe and the green, that way even the studebakers have a chance. I don't run a delay box, so if they add more time, I Will probably retire. I will not put a delay box, or throttle control box in my car.

Sounds like you are on the wrong forum then , you seem to be more in tune with the 8.50 ,10.0 and 11.50"index class " racers......Plenty of those races out there .
If you want to race on "The Big Stage " It requires hard work and dedication. .....The constant Bull about ,I don't have a Roadster, I don't have a big engine , I don't have a big budget is just an excuse . ....I know many racers without any of those that are competitive .
Any voting on Class Index's and tree sequence times should be voted on by racers who actually compete and support the class , not just someone who paid a few bucks for a number and races once a year at their local track because they can't race Brackets that week because the NHRA is there.
How may who want to change everything to suit their cars will actually show up for all 7 Division races ? ....My guess is not many .
I find it both amusing and amazing that after more than a decade after NHRA changed the tree that this is even an issue.

[JThomas]

Originally Posted by Tom Goldman

Boy ,you guys just love to stir the pot don't you.
Anybody that thinks this will help car counts is fooling themselves , this about helping themselves !
You want a .400- .500 tree ?...Well then lets go back to the incandescent lights as well . .....Then lets see who is still on the tree !
I've held this in for a long time ,many racers have just gotten lazy and no longer work at the tree or their car .. ....Instead ,they want to change the tree to get a better light .
Racers need to realize Racing , as in life is not always equal . ....what do you do in life ? you work harder ,try harder . ....Racing should be the same way.
Instead of building a car for the class ,you want NHRA to change the rules to suit your car.
There are times I have a hard time on the .370LED tree , Gee ,what should I do ? I know ,I'll demand they change something till I have a .00 light ! NOT !
I go back and change the shock settings ,tire pressure ,4-link ,add ballast ,change launch rpm .
AND if that doesn't do it ,well I guess I'll put the snorkel on and dive it in !
This is NHRA Championship racing ,you have to earn that Wally , It ain't no "participation trophy" !

I agree with you 100%.
If the clubs like MASGA etc. want to use a 400 tree to get a few more entries, that is fine. If you want to run with the big dogs at the NHRA divisionals and nationals, make the car work for the class your racing.

[flash]

Am I wrong or is this change no where in the NHRA rulebook ? I have only heard of it by word of mouth !

[Tom Goldman]

It's only been at .370 for Fourteen years .....It didn't just happen.

[BKSG1198]

Tom,

Obviously since 14 years has passed since the .370 tree came into existence and people are still questioning "we're on a .370 tree??" it wasn't communicated very well. Here is what is in the 2018 rulebook under Super Gas:

Super Gas cars race on a 9.90 standard (6.30 for eighth-mile
tracks) using a heads-up, .4-second Pro Tree. Reserved for
full-body cars with full fenders, hood, grille, top, windshield,
and functional doors.

So someone who is brand new to Super Gas and doesn't read all the message boards or go on Facebook very often but, use the NHRA Rulebook as the bible would have no clue what tree your running on. It's just a form of communication that is all.

It's easy to say:
Super Gas cars race on a 9.90 standard (6.30 for eighth-mile
tracks) using a heads-up, .4-second Pro Tree (.030 LED Compensation)

[flash]

Oh I knew about it.but the point is if you where doing something illegal and got caught,they would say it's against the rules-read the rulebook.

[NHRA1926]

If the the rule book states .400/.500 then that's what it should be. Us in Super Street with fully suspended cars have a hard time hitting the .470 tree. The really fast cars can always just add numbers to the delay box to slow their car's reaction to hit the .400/.500 tree. We suspended cars don't have the luxury to be able to speed up the cars reaction time like the supergas/supercomp cars. Just because the pros have a hard time with the tree, doesn't mean us sportsman cars should have to have the opposite problem. Especially at divisional races where the pros don't even run!