New FWD weight breaks!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Your former Monte Carlo, Billy's Cavalier (and mine), Ron's Tempo, Billy Owens' Grand Am, Bill O'connor's Omni, and the Charger & Aries cars of Brent and Stan Kopejtka, have been the most round winning cars this century, against the nowadays harder to beat muscle cars with automatics.

I watch a lot of race results online and I'm just not seeing this, except for Billy, and yourself when you went on a tear last year.
The Monte was great when we had it.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I watch a lot of race results online and I'm just not seeing this, except for Billy, and yourself when you went on a tear last year.
The Monte was great when we had it.

Brent Kopetjka went on a tear last year (2020) too and finished #3 in D5 in stock with his FWD car.

I'm still on the fence about turning my 2005 Cobalt into a stocker for fun...

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Ellis V Buth

Brent Kopetjka went on a tear last year (2020) too and finished #3 in D5 in stock with his FWD car.

I'm still on the fence about turning my 2005 Cobalt into a stocker for fun...

Ellis I hope you will, and I'll be rooting for you too!

Mark, take note of the recent Vegas doubleheader, as Bill O'Connor made the final round of the 1st one.

As good as my year ended, I would've liked to have been in Brent's position both divisionally, and especially for the Allstars, where finished higher than my 6th place effort.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Mark, take note of the recent Vegas doubleheader, as Bill O'Connor made the final round of the 1st one.

Of course.I watched it. Without the incrementals in front of me, I'm not going to try to analyze every round ..But as you and I and Bill know , there's a lot of other factors involved besides dead consistency.
I told Billy he needed to put a stick in that car a long time ago ;-)

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Of course.I watched it. Without the incrementals in front of me, I'm not going to try to analyze every round ..But as you and I and Bill know , there's a lot of other factors involved besides dead consistency.
I told Billy he needed to put a stick in that car a long time ago ;-)

I'd rather Billy put an 8" torque converter in it with a shift improver kit (if he hasn't already). It didn't take him long to go from -.2 under to -.4 under.....I knew he could do it, which is why I wish Billy lived out west here so I could invest in some of his obvious know-how! Stick shifts are good for low-qualifier, but I think automatics are better for consistency.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'd rather Billy put and 8" torque converter in it with a shift improver kit (if he hasn't already). It didn't take him long to go from -.2 under to -.4 under.....I knew he could do it, which is why I wish Billy lived out west here so I could invest in some of his obvious know-how! Stick shifts are good for low-qualifier, but I think automatics are better for consistency.

Actually I was talking about Bill O'Conner's car..Shouldn't have called him Billy .Everybody knows who Billy is :-0
I almost went the Ecotec /stick route myself..They are everywhere.. Then I found the Escort , thankfully..I really didn't want to go that fast in the eliminator ;-)

We're going in circles now ..Still want to see the evidence that automatic FWD's are more consistent.

[Ellis V Buth]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Actually I was talking about Bill O'Conner's car..Shouldn't have called him Billy .Everybody knows who Billy is :-0
I almost went the Ecotec /stick route myself..They are everywhere.. Then I found the Escort , thankfully..I really didn't want to go that fast in the eliminator ;-)

We're going in circles now ..Still want to see the evidence that automatic FWD's are more consistent.

Oh yeah...I agree. I don't think there's any real usable data that'll show a FWD is more consistent than your average stocker...I think the most consistent cars in stock are going to be in the 10.50-12.00 range (slow enough that spin isn't a major concern, quick enough that wind and weather don't affect them quite as much)
Perhaps if you compare to the other 14.00 and slower stockers, you could make that case for FWD vs RWD in that context.
I know for sure that my Ranger is FAR from "consistent" most of the time...but it is at least fairly predictable for the most part.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Actually I was talking about Bill O'Conner's car..Shouldn't have called him Billy .Everybody knows who Billy is :-0
I almost went the Ecotec /stick route myself..They are everywhere.. Then I found the Escort , thankfully..I really didn't want to go that fast in the eliminator ;-)

We're going in circles now ..Still want to see the evidence that automatic FWD's are more consistent.

I think Ellis misunderstood what I was saying. I was referring to FWD automatic Stockers vs FWD manual Stockers. I mentioned all of the recent year FWD Stocker racers who have been going rounds (and Billy just added credibility to my opinion) , and based on what I've seen, all of them have automatics in them. We've been going more rounds than manual trannied Stockers, because our cars are easier to dial what they'll actually run. I wasn't sure about Ron's car, so I looked up this years Indy and saw that he and Owen's Grand Am were automatics, to go with Bill's, Billy's, mine, Brent's and Stan's cars as well. Who's been running a manual that has been going rounds against the RWD contingent like we have? I can't think of anyone, and I try to follow everyone who campaigns a FWD Stocker as well. The race results show it for all of us.

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

I'd rather Billy put an 8" torque converter in it with a shift improver kit

Mine has a 5 speed in it but I have everything to put an Automatic in mine. I asked a well known supplier to build a 7" converter but they didn't have access to a pump drive hub or the spline inserts for this particular trans/converter. He told me he built several Mopar FWD units for some series back east that ran a bunch of Neons, Horizon's etc.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Dave Noll

Mine has a 5 speed in it but I have everything to put an Automatic in mine. I asked a well known supplier to build a 7" converter but they didn't have access to a pump drive hub or the spline inserts for this particular trans/converter. He told me he built several Mopar FWD units for some series back east that ran a bunch of Neons, Horizon's etc.

Was that "Turbo Action", because I know them as being the authority of Mopar Trannies (especially back in the '90's to the 2K's). I wonder if "A1 Performance Transmissions" and Converters could build you one. Better yet, I wonder what Brent or Stan, and Bill O'Connor use in their cars? I remember my engine builder Verle of "Verle Stevens Enterprises", was told by Marv Ripes (the founder of A1), to have my Turbo 125 converted from lock-up to non-lock-up, and he built me an 8" unit, that stahled up to 3600rpms. Try them, if neither of those two were the one you spoke of?