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[GUMP]

Originally Posted by B Parker

How would you guys in the lower classes feel if they lowered the index's by .1 in cars from K up. Just a thought BP

How is that a good thing? There are lot of fast lower class cars.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

There are lot of fast lower class cars.

Wrong! There are a FEW fast lower class cars.
WAY out of proportion to the number of fast higher class cars.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Wrong! There are a FEW fast lower class cars.
WAY out of proportion to the number of fast higher class cars.

Do you read Nitro Joe's Stats?

A quick scan of the 2021 Stock Eliminator data tells a different story. Statistically, the performance of the lower classes are very similar to those in the mid and upper classes. The upper classes are just WAY MORE populated.

There are a couple of exceptions in the front wheel drive classes. You know better than I wether that is because those cars are over factored, the indexes are wrong, or the cars are "Dime Rockets".

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Do you read Nitro Joe's Stats?

A quick scan of the 2021 Stock Eliminator data tells a different story. Statistically, the performance of the lower classes are very similar to those in the mid and upper classes. The upper classes are just WAY MORE populated.

There are a couple of exceptions in the front wheel drive classes. You know better than I wether that is because those cars are over factored, the indexes are wrong, or the cars are "Dime Rockets".

I think that you would know that I'm never very far from my Nitro Joe's.
You're making my point for me, statistically the classes may be similar IF you're only going by the fastest combos in each class BUT "the upper classes are just way more populated" and there are dis-proportionally more fast combos in the higher classes.

Just as a science experiment, pick a number. What's "fast"? 8 under? 9 under? I'll spend some time in Nitro Joe's and look into what percentage of combos are fast in what classes and I'm willing to wager that the higher classes are going to come out on top!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

How is that a good thing? There are lot of fast lower class cars.

Actually, there are quite a few fast lower class combinations that are never going to get built.

1, They are perceived to be at a disadvantage in the eliminator

2, They can't be bubble - packed together.

Might as well deal with reality here.
Carry on.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Actually, there are quite a few fast lower class combinations that are never going to get built.

1, They are perceived to be at a disadvantage in the eliminator

2, They can't be bubble - packed together.

Might as well deal with reality here.
Carry on.

If there are actually quite a few fast lower class combos that are never going to get built then aren't they a moot point in this discussion?
If a tree falls in the forest but no-one is there, does it make a sound?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

If there are actually quite a few fast lower class combos that are never going to get built then aren't they a moot point in this discussion?
If a tree falls in the forest but no-one is there, does it make a sound?

Yup, that was my point.

Other than that, opinions on this thread are all over the map.

Lower the indexes
Raise the indexes
Lower the triggers
Raise the triggers
Quotas
No quotas
It's a performance eliminator
It's not a performance eliminator..Some guys are struggling to run the current indexes
Like herding cats...
This thread could go on for years..

How about NHRA just take the bull by the horns and deal with the mess they made?
They never had a problem giving some of us the bend over treatment in the past.

We'll deal with it..just like we used to.