Ahfs

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by B Parker

How would you guys in the lower classes feel if they lowered the index's by .1 in cars from K up. Just a thought BP

I think that wouldn’t be a bad idea. As long as the majority of racers in the effected classes were okay with it.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by B Parker

How would you guys in the lower classes feel if they lowered the index's by .1 in cars from K up. Just a thought BP

How is that a good thing? There are lot of fast lower class cars.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

I think that wouldn’t be a bad idea. As long as the majority of racers in the effected classes were okay with it.

Doug, I'm just trying to figure out a way that the 1970 402/375 Nova now 415 hp doesn't happen to other combo's. Heads up runs in the upper classes in great air can really screw up a combo. Not just in the A and B cars. One run just over the 1.20 mark and now and the Nova's had to add over 100lbs. A lot of weight for one run. I'm waiting for the 350/255 1969 Camaro's to get the hit. Several have danced around it. And that's not with running heads up. There are a lot of them maybe at that time people will get my point. BP

[Lyn Smith]

Originally Posted by B Parker

How would you guys in the lower classes feel if they lowered the index's by .1 in cars from K up. Just a thought BP

Not a good idea to lower the indexes. Take for example Div. 3 first race Indy in May. Qualifying list shows about 5 cars, me included, at the bottom of the list just barely under the index. Lower the indexes and none of us are under the index. We do not need to chase anymore racers away from participating. Lowering the indexes does not make any sense.

[1347]

Originally Posted by Frank Castros

Personally as a fan and no longer a racer I like to see performance and loath when racers de-tune their cars to protect their combinations for what? What are you saving it for? Why are racers making deals to race to 1000 feet during class eliminations?
For old school guys like me it makes me question why you guys do this crap.
Let it fly!

Frank, lets say you are running your Mopar in B/SA, and you are 3 or 4 tenths behind, so you spend 4 or 5k on a set of cylinder heads, 6k on a pro trans, maybe 3k on a set up modern pistons and rings. So now your 13 or 14k investment puts you in a spot where you are competitive with most of the other B cars. Would you now qualify .90 under at most races, hit the 1 second under trigger a couple times, just to be rewarded with a hp adjustment at the end of the year? Once that happens a couple times, you run out of modern rule updates to spend your money on. Or do you run the car heavy with timing knocked out until you have a heads up, or want to qualify higher in the ladder, or make the field at Indy? Some of these combos dont have the luxury of a replacement carb, heads, block, cranks with smaller journal rods etc.

Make the quotas at races larger so you have to qualify to get in, award points for records at races that count towards afhs, and or give points to top qualifiers and you may see the fast cars show what they have at times.

[B Parker]

Originally Posted by rboyle

How the he'll does lowering everyone's index a tenth fix anything?
So if you are a fast car that can run -1.30 and you lose a tenth then you are -1.20
Yet a typical -.80 good car is now a -.70 good car and the bump at Indy goes from -.85 to -.75 and number one is -1.20 or so. Maybe it eliminates mineshaft conditions being early and late in the season but it doesn't fix a fast combo being fast it only hurts the slower guys

Rich I totally disagree with you all except about the slower cars. Your car is a good combo. In good air it should be able to run 1.20 under or more. If a typical car runs -.85 under and now they run .75 under it doesn't make any difference to them everybody in their class also got the same index change. But for the faster car it gives them some breathing room for the instant 1.20 hit. Several cars at the Atco open went 1.20 and faster. There were several more that could have also including mine. What if that was a Divisional and there were a few heads up with those cars. I would hate to see cars that on kill in good air that are just at that 1.20 point end up getting HP when others in their class are already faster than them. BP

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

There are lot of fast lower class cars.

Wrong! There are a FEW fast lower class cars.
WAY out of proportion to the number of fast higher class cars.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by GUMP

How is that a good thing? There are lot of fast lower class cars.

Actually, there are quite a few fast lower class combinations that are never going to get built.

1, They are perceived to be at a disadvantage in the eliminator

2, They can't be bubble - packed together.

Might as well deal with reality here.
Carry on.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Wrong! There are a FEW fast lower class cars.
WAY out of proportion to the number of fast higher class cars.

Do you read Nitro Joe's Stats?

A quick scan of the 2021 Stock Eliminator data tells a different story. Statistically, the performance of the lower classes are very similar to those in the mid and upper classes. The upper classes are just WAY MORE populated.

There are a couple of exceptions in the front wheel drive classes. You know better than I wether that is because those cars are over factored, the indexes are wrong, or the cars are "Dime Rockets".

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Do you read Nitro Joe's Stats?

A quick scan of the 2021 Stock Eliminator data tells a different story. Statistically, the performance of the lower classes are very similar to those in the mid and upper classes. The upper classes are just WAY MORE populated.

There are a couple of exceptions in the front wheel drive classes. You know better than I wether that is because those cars are over factored, the indexes are wrong, or the cars are "Dime Rockets".

I think that you would know that I'm never very far from my Nitro Joe's.
You're making my point for me, statistically the classes may be similar IF you're only going by the fastest combos in each class BUT "the upper classes are just way more populated" and there are dis-proportionally more fast combos in the higher classes.

Just as a science experiment, pick a number. What's "fast"? 8 under? 9 under? I'll spend some time in Nitro Joe's and look into what percentage of combos are fast in what classes and I'm willing to wager that the higher classes are going to come out on top!