Billet cams and lifter supply

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

How much money will it cost when the 500.00 roller lifter explodes and it destroys the short block? Then we will need the parts to complement the lifters. Maybe titanium retainers, valves, etc. how much are Jesel lifters? 4K and up? Then we need keyed slot bushings for the good lifters. But this will fix everything, right. If I had to wait 14 months for tool steel lifters, I’d be trying to make a standard solid lifter work. Cam profile, spring combo, break in procedure and so on. Maybe you have to run softer profile cams so they last? Work with what you have? I’d take this route if I wanted to race and not sit out.

Remember when people on the board said if we just all had solid lifters it would be so much cheaper and easier to find and police? I guess all those people retried or quit racing? The same bullchit was said about roller rockers. Look where we are now?

Keep making these cars resemble SS rules cars and the NHRA can just cancel out the stock class and save a bunch of money and effort. They basically don’t want us there anyway. Your helping their cause by coming on here and asking for SS rules for our engines.

Forget about pure stock rules and enforcement. That ship sailed in the 80’s.

People here suggest a valve spring rule. That will even the playing field.
What happens when someone with a unlimited budget tells their engine builder to make that work no matter what the cost. Then you have put the cost even higher for racers to keep up.

If you want roller lifters in stock, run a car that came with them

I knew it would only be a matter of time before you once again came up with your one sided reasons as you have in the past , you may not look the fool if you did not make up your one sided scenarios ,and look at today's facts ! When you use (someone) as you do that is a assumption of which you seem to have many , and not all are facts , I and others agree with you are cars are closer to super stock than ever , with that said
they are what they are today ,and today going forward is all that matters .

Look the fool? What did I say that’s one sided? What facts did I make up that’s not true? Roller lifters don’t break? People didn’t push for solid lifter years ago and now they are not good enough we need rollers? Sorry this displeases you. I thought this is an open forum with a free exchange of ideas. Just one opinion ( my own ) I’m not for the roller lifters in non roller combos. That’s all. Have a nice day

Some peoples moving forward may not be others ideas of moving forward.

Originally Posted by john ancona

I knew it would only be a matter of time before you once again came up with your one sided reasons as you have in the past , you may not look the fool if you did not make up your one sided scenarios ,and look at today's facts ! When you use (someone) as you do that is a assumption of which you seem to have many , and not all are facts , I and others agree with you are cars are closer to super stock than ever , with that said
they are what they are today ,and today going forward is all that matters .

[bubski]

Bubski is like WTF !! At no time did Bubski say going back to the old rules would level the field !! Bubski is well aware of those that have the resources will always come out on top !! Money , contacts , and determination, etc !! Will always prevail !! What Bubski is saying !! " Lets bring back the STOCK to STOCK ELIMINATOR " NHRA has in the past reeled in the Pros to limit their performance !! And now its time to reel in the sportsmen !! 180-200 on the seat is laughable !! Most of the older engines were under a 100 to a little over a 100 on the seat !! How about a 10% increase from the old tech sheets across the board on seat and open pressures ?? Everyone now gets the same thing !! Remember !! Besides from bringing Stock into Stock !! Its not any good to race in Stock if you can't get the parts to show up and race !! Going back to what always worked before must be better than starting from scratch with a bunch of Hi Dollar parts that are not in the Spirit of Stock !! More like SS

[Mark Lewis]

Machine at PPPC is not fixed. I was there this morning. Have plenty of raw material to work with but no machine to operate. Also the operator didn't know when it would be fixed

[john ancona]

Originally Posted by Mark Lewis

Machine at PPPC is not fixed. I was there this morning. Have plenty of raw material to work with but no machine to operate. Also the operator didn't know when it would be fixed

Two simple questions 1. This has been said for months now ,I was told it was the computer that needs repair
2. How many back orders are there
If I/we can get the answers it may indicate the likelihood if I/we ever see our lifter orders filled , case in point if it is 1 or 2 orders pending then the chances are slim to none

[SSDiv6]

One of the many issues is the quality of the lifter, especially, materials and sizing. The sizing problem creates issues with lifter bore clearance and also when the lifter does not have a crown and the lobe does not have a taper.

It does not matter if the valve spring pressures are restored to the old rules. Too may engine builders are seeing camshaft and lifter failures even on mild street builds.

There is only one lifter manufacturer for solid and hydraulic lifters left in the USA.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by bubski

180-200 on the seat is laughable !!

Ya know, just when I was starting to kind of like you! There's no way that we are going to go back to OEM valve springs. It would be too much for too many combos to absorb and NHRA has proven time-and-time again that it's not going to allow combos to be turned into trash overnight (lawsuits?).
Knowing what some smallblock Stockers are running for spring pressures now, I thought that 180-200 would be an acceptable (and easy to police) compromise.

[4284spd]

In this whole thread, maybe 10 actually race Stock. Nobody currently racing is going to want to go slower so that's a huge fail for all the valve spring pressure guy's.
2nd It's 2022 not 1967! Get over it!
3rd Rollers don't effect the looks or purpose of the class. It adds reliability. Again it's 2022!
No parts = no racers!!! JMO

BTW This bubski talking in the 3rd person is just a pathetic Look at me ploy! Grow The F up!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by 4284spd

In this whole thread, maybe 10 actually race Stock. Nobody currently racing is going to want to go slower so that's a huge fail for all the valve spring pressure guy's.
2nd It's 2022 not 1967! Get over it!
3rd Rollers don't effect the looks or purpose of the class. It adds reliability. Again it's 2022!
No parts = no racers!!! JMO

Let's make something perfectly clear Bob, first of all I DO race Stock. I really don't mind "going slower". I've probably done it for as long or longer than most on this board. And probably with more combos in more cars than you and your buddys put together. If "going slower" means having the rules actively enforced and having the bogus parts and combos done away with then count me in for "going slow".

Rollers DON'T add reliability, they just allow bigger, more aggressive lobes that allow higher engine speeds that will make bigger and more "manipulated" cylinder heads more of a necessity which will just drive costs higher and make engine failures more frequent. Now that right there sounds like a good way to get rid of Racers.

REAL RACERS, (not the people who order parts from a second party and have them assembled by a third party so that they can have their rig driven to a track by a forth party so they can fly in and rent a Mercedes and drive to the track) will ALWAYS find the stuff that they need to go racing. That's what REAL Sportsmen Racers do!

Yes, it is 2022 and if NHRA and the Racers themselves don't start actively trying to come up with ways to lower costs and do away with the interpretations (and manipulations) of the written rules, we probably won't see 2032. The way everything else is going, I doubt that we will anyway.

[Stan Weiss]

No, I don't run NHRA stock.

You are right! Lets move into the 21st century and let you update your parts.

Maybe NHRA should move into the 21st century as well. No need for tech. They need to contract with someone to write some software which will take your car's weight, aerodynamics, track weather conditions, etc. and analyze your runs split time and my guess is give most of you some HP.

Stan