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Old 04-29-2008, 09:07 AM   #1
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SO...NHRA is pouring heads in Stock Eliminator without any published volumes or guidelines? What if the racer buys cylinder heads from another racer and shop, the heads get poured and they do not meet the numbers they have and not available to the public?
This is another reason for NHRA to get sued...but...wait a minute...NHRA has established a new rule that they cannot be sued...a rule established to protect themselves from being inept.
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Old 04-29-2008, 11:10 AM   #2
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No Joe, I don't think we can ASSUME that. As you know, I talked to the owner and understand what went on. Both the owner and NHRA have information to support their sides. All should remember that in the past (way back) they didn't use specs either to DQ what they thought was incorrect. Maybe NHRA is going back to that line of thinking. I don't know, but it's their ballpark.

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Old 04-29-2008, 12:01 PM   #3
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I beg to differ with you Jerry, It's not just their ballpark, it's ours to! We have a right as paying customers/members to have a level, honest playing field. If they (NHRA) is using technical specifications to eliminate racers we have a right to know what those specifications are! This idea that NHRA makes a statement that says "we can not be sued" is BS. This idea ia a fire that must be extinguished. Every person, company or group can be sued and held responsible for their actions. You cannot sign your right to fair treatment away! We are required to play by the rules and so are they. Jim
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I beg to differ with you Jerry, It's not just their ballpark, it's ours to! We have a right as paying customers/members to have a level, honest playing field. If they (NHRA) is using technical specifications to eliminate racers we have a right to know what those specifications are! This idea that NHRA makes a statement that says "we can not be sued" is BS. This idea ia a fire that must be extinguished. Every person, company or group can be sued and held responsible for their actions. You cannot sign your right to fair treatment away! We are required to play by the rules and so are they. Jim
I agree Jim. Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there.
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Well said George! That is all a racer can ask for, fairness! We must be fair and the NHRA must be fair, that is what we must have. Jim
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George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.
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George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.
Bob, who says they are using the SS Specs? Has NHRA made an announcement they will use the SS Specs for Stock Eliminator? For a starters, many of the numbers in the SS Specs are incorrect.
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[QUOTE=Bob;67603]George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

All I can say is this. The heads I run came on the truck when I bought the truck brand new in March of 1996. Mr. Ronny at Southland did a 3 angle and cleaned up the surface on these heads and thats it. I know how virgin these heads are; however, when Wesley pored them they were .2 of 1cc higher than the SS spec of a 350. Now they were try to compare the SS specs of a 350 to my 4.3 V6 because they admitted they had no data to compare to. Tell me how is that fair. All I can say is that if NHRA decides that these heads are to big I guess I will be doing more bracket racing, because I don't believe I could find a stock head smaller.

P.S. It is their ballpark; however, without players its just a field.
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Well DAVE,

We only had to travel 534 miles one way to KS. Plus, we only took ONE car instead of the THREE we take to our Stock/SS races. So actually, this was cheaper as we split the costs. Also, Rick now gets enough leave at his new job to be able to take a few days off to race. Otherwise we would have stayed home. Another fact. Brainerd is 280 miles from us. Otherwise, ALL the Points Race tracks except Great Bend are 550 miles or more, one way, and as of now, he works the Brainerd weekend. So this was the shortest Points race for us. I have more reasons if you need 'em. Thanks for caring. Call when you come through to Murphy's. I'll even buy.

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Why should NHRA publish a spec? Well, if you're using 30 year old heads, that you did not buy new, how can you be sure they have not been modified before you bought them, if you don't have a spec to go by?

It's really simple, publish a spec you are going to enforce, or don't enforce it. If the spec is not published, how do we know everyone is being held to the same spec and the same tolerance? We don't. And that simply will not work.
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