Great Bend Stock DQ - Page 2

s10stocker · 04-29-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I beg to differ with you Jerry, It's not just their ballpark, it's ours to! We have a right as paying customers/members to have a level, honest playing field. If they (NHRA) is using technical specifications to eliminate racers we have a right to know what those specifications are! This idea that NHRA makes a statement that says "we can not be sued" is BS. This idea ia a fire that must be extinguished. Every person, company or group can be sued and held responsible for their actions. You cannot sign your right to fair treatment away! We are required to play by the rules and so are they. Jim

I agree Jim. Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there.

Jim Wahl · 04-29-2008, 12:50 PM

Well said George! That is all a racer can ask for, fairness! We must be fair and the NHRA must be fair, that is what we must have. Jim

Bob · 04-29-2008, 01:26 PM

George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.

SSDiv6 · 04-29-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob

George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there."

Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they."

The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!!

AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have.

Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the
last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there.

Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.

Bob, who says they are using the SS Specs? Has NHRA made an announcement they will use the SS Specs for Stock Eliminator? For a starters, many of the numbers in the SS Specs are incorrect.

Jim Wahl · 04-29-2008, 01:52 PM

Come on Bob, don't make this any tougher on yourself than it needs to be. NHRA has NEVER said they are using SS specs on Stockers. In fact they used a junkyard head the found somewhere. They used 60's technology. Establish specs and publish them! Even field Bob, even field. Knowing the specs is a must, we aren't building a bomb here Bob, just trying to have some fun. Jim

Chuck Beach · 04-29-2008, 01:57 PM

We are also allowed to use aftermarket valves which for the most part are different than stock valves. There are probably a few CC's just in the valve.

Jack McCarthy · 04-29-2008, 02:07 PM

rule book says "unmodified"... ill bet they were modified

also good luck suing nhra... unless you prove you were discriminated against (that another racer was teched in the barn and passed with the EXACT same pieces) i believe you're screwed (actually screwed yourself)

i feel sorry for the racer, however nhra like nascar has the right to enforce thier rules (unmodified) and it is about time techmen were allowed to do thier job...

flame away... captain jack

SSDiv6 · 04-29-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

rule book says "unmodified"... ill bet they were modified

also good luck suing nhra... unless you prove you were discriminated against (that another racer was teched in the barn and passed with the EXACT same pieces) i believe you're screwed (actually screwed yourself)

i feel sorry for the racer, however nhra like nascar has the right to enforce thier rules (unmodified) and it is about time techmen were allowed to do thier job...

flame away... captain jack

Jack...what part you do not understand...the main problem is there are no published specs for Stock eliminator...and like many have said, with the new valve rule, the specs will change even if you are using a virgin head.

NHRA created this problem throughout the years, and now they are trying to fix it...or better word, put a Band-Aid. Throughout the years, there was too much inconsistency between the divisions in what was or was not legal...add to that the overriding that took place in Glendora.

...and by the way...discrimination is not the only basis for lawsuits...one of my jobs in my profession is involved in product liability cases.

CPOlesen · 04-29-2008, 02:32 PM

Everybody start bracket racing, Problem solved.

Bob · 04-29-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Bob, who says they are using the SS Specs? Has NHRA made an announcement they will use the SS Specs for Stock Eliminator? For a starters, many of the numbers in the SS Specs are incorrect.

Did I ever say NHRA used SS spec's? NO.

Did I ever say NHRA announced they were using SS spec's, NO.

If you can't read my post and understand my post, it's no wonder why you cannot read the rule book either.

04-29-2008, 12:50 PM	#12
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 669 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ Well said George! That is all a racer can ask for, fairness! We must be fair and the NHRA must be fair, that is what we must have. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

04-29-2008, 01:26 PM	#13
Bob Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 48 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ George, you said "Also give me rules to follow and I will follow them. I can't prepare for a rule that isn't there." Jim, you said "We are required to play by the rules and so are they." The rule book I have states quite clearly that CYLIDER HEADS CANNOT BE MODIFIED. So if your head runners pour MORE THAN the SS spec, they are too big. If your heads pour MORE THAN an original head that NHRA provides, they are to big. PERIOD!! AND, no where in the rulebook does it state that you can port a head, cover it with acid, and it will be legal as long as it does not exceed the SS spec's. That unfortunately is the assumption that many racers and engine builders have. Maybe, just maybe, NHRA has spec's for heads, and their fact finding mission over the last year has simply been to find out how many bogus heads are out there. Jerry is correct, it's THEIR ballpark. If you don't like it, don't join.

04-29-2008, 01:52 PM	#15
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 669 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ Come on Bob, don't make this any tougher on yourself than it needs to be. NHRA has NEVER said they are using SS specs on Stockers. In fact they used a junkyard head the found somewhere. They used 60's technology. Establish specs and publish them! Even field Bob, even field. Knowing the specs is a must, we aren't building a bomb here Bob, just trying to have some fun. Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

04-29-2008, 01:57 PM	#16
Chuck Beach Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Delaware, Ohio Posts: 664 Likes: 12 Liked 58 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ We are also allowed to use aftermarket valves which for the most part are different than stock valves. There are probably a few CC's just in the valve. __________________ Chuck Beach 3340 STK

04-29-2008, 02:07 PM	#17
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,322 Likes: 29 Liked 477 Times in 117 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ rule book says "unmodified"... ill bet they were modified also good luck suing nhra... unless you prove you were discriminated against (that another racer was teched in the barn and passed with the EXACT same pieces) i believe you're screwed (actually screwed yourself) i feel sorry for the racer, however nhra like nascar has the right to enforce thier rules (unmodified) and it is about time techmen were allowed to do thier job... flame away... captain jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

04-29-2008, 02:32 PM	#19
CPOlesen Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chandler, Oklahoma Posts: 23 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Great Bend Stock DQ Everybody start bracket racing, Problem solved.