Pickup bed covers in competition in Stock

[Rob Petrie E395]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Try Super Stock & Drag Illustrated July 1987 page 31....no ads there :-)

I got it if I can figure out a way to post it I will. Its a story called "The missiles of San Ramon" it appears to be abuout a 73 duster driven in J stock by a father and son. It is written by Bill Dedman. Nothing about pickup covers or turbos

Rob

[Ed Fernandez]

John; Didn't read the articles,maybe because i dont have any of the ones you mentioned.I didn't say you were one of the whinners,only that it was going on even then without the benefit of the internet.The whinning just travels faster now.
Ducky;Bill seems to come up with questions that seem to piss off alot of CURRENT racers,he has no dog in the fight.
He's entitled to post and I'm just entitled to answer.
Things must be slow where he lives.

Ed F.

[bill dedman]

Ed,

Things ARE slow here, and that's why I'm here. I spent the last 24 years in Kalifornia (the San Francisco Bay Area,) and I was ready for a "slowdown" after passing 65, in 2003.

My opinion:
It doesn't matter a whit whether someone is currently running a car, or not; they can still have an opinion, and ideas about what goes on, and they can be valid. As you well know, there's another bulletin board (forum) on this site for the people who are currently racing. If you think that their opinions and ideas have more merit than the folks who post here, then, that's probably the forum you should frequent. You race, and have a permanent number, so, it would be no problem at all for you. I can't post there.

I was not trying to bust anybody's ba**s with my comments about turbochargers and un-monitored boost levels. I was trying to get some discussion started about what to do about a problem that has been plaguing Stock Eliminator at national events for over four years (and, maybe longer.)

What I got for my effort was songs and dances from people who run those cars, with never an admission that there even WAS a problem at national events, even though I showed them the numbers that strongly suggested otherwise. Even though I don't race a Class car, I got accused of "whining," when in fact, I have nothing to "whine" about. I was just pointing out what I felt to be the the pertinent facts. That's not "whining."

But, there was nothing in the way of support forthcoming from the normally-aspirated car owners, so, I finally had to agree with the turbo guys;... apparently, there REALLY IS NO PROBLEM.

So, I finally gave up trying... probably a good thing. It was never my intention to anger people.
The thing that is still hanging out (it seems to me) is that... if there were no truth to my contention, then why would they care if my plan were activated? It wouldn't matter, if there were no problem.

Oh well; it is what it is.... and NHRA can't make any money by fixing it, so THAT's not gonna happen...

The tonneau cover question was just because of my inherent curiosity. I still can't find anything about the legality of it in the NHRA rule book. Maybe it's just not in there...

[bill dedman]

SS Crew Chief,

You said, "should be same rules for stock!!!?? "

Maybe... maybe not. NHRA has some funny concepts about stuff like that.
I have a feeling we'll find out, though, if we keep talking about it, here.

Thanks for the info!!!

[art leong]

Bill "PLEASE GET A LIFE" Stop picking out things that don't concern you in the least I know a few guys that race trucks in stock. They have covers nhra has not said a thing about them.
Are you trying to get them in trouble?
Just one point. As far as the turbo cars qualifing number one! Do you realize that a lot of people in stock and superstock can go a whole lot quicker than their qualifying. They don't run as fast as they can, to protect their combo, index etc. So your data is totally flawed.
I see you come from San Francisco. That explains a lot.
"GOTTA LOVE THEM SAN FRANCISCO VALUES"
Try to concentrate on the .90 classes There the wealth has already been redistributed. Maybe you can start a thread about why some guys lose first round all the time. Seems like a conspiricy to me. LOL

[bill dedman]

Art,

Maybe YOU are the one who needs to "get a life." Your "life", lately, seems to revolve around trying to control what I write on this forum, and just why it concerns you to the extent that you feel compelled to comment about it, endlessly, is a mystery to me.

Do I tell YOU what to write about?

There's a name for people like that; I think they call them "control freaks."

Well, I don't know whether you're a full-blown "freak," or not, but you're surely working up to it.

If you don't enjoy learning about the vagaries (look it up) of drag racing from the folks who post about the myriad subjects on here, DON'T READ IT!

That wouldn't be too hard, would it????

And, for crying out loud, how can ~!~ get ANYBODY "in trouble" just by asking a simple yes or no question on this forum? Do you think I have THAT MUCH INFLUENCE in Glendora??? I wish...

And no, that was surely not my intention. I was in a discussion about the aerodynamic drag factors of tailgates (up vs. down) when we saw a picture of a pickup racing with a bed cover. I'd never seen one in competition like that and was curious about what the rulebook had to say about it, because it would surely relegate the discussion about the tailgate position to the round file. Jesus....

The last time I checked, YOU were not the moderator of this forum. Are you having delusions of grandeur?

I'll make a deal with you; I won't comment on your posts if you don't comment on mine. If you see one with my name on it, just skip it; Your blood pressure will thank you.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by art leong

I see you come from San Francisco. That explains a lot.
"GOTTA LOVE THEM SAN FRANCISCO VALUES"

THAT IS FUNNY.......if you only knew how bad Bill HATES "Bagdad By The Bay" !!!!!!!! :-)
He actually lived in Hayward in the east bay....not far from Vic Hubbard's Speed Shop and Fremont Drag Strip..........

[Ed Fernandez]

He certainly has a real San Francisco sensitivity quotient,sorta like when you disagree with a "yahoo",
you're accused of being &%#*phobic.
On a side note,the May 1964 issue of Drag Racing has an article about the pros reaction to the "new"
5 amber tree.Dyno Don didn't like it.He said the slower car has the advantage of taking a shot at the tree,
because they had nothing to lose.He still liked the flagman,yellow/green light start.Sturm,Mazmanian,Weney,Beswick,Proffit and other top dogs agreed.Nothinglike having your cake and eating it too.
Sorry for high jacking the thread but it's been blownup already.I think this is more interesting than tonneau covers anyway.

Ed F.