A case for Tru-Start

[Don Morris]

Originally Posted by Mark Faul

Yes, but every violation has a weight placed on it. If I red light, then you go on your "single" and hit the wall, I'm reinstated. Same thing if you fail fuel check or weight. Every thing is a first or worse situation. Except for the red lights.

I don't see any logical explanation through this entire thread why guys are opposed to this. Just because it's the way it's always been? I've ran super stock for 20 years and the purse has always been $1800 to win. Should that not change also????

Even if it affects just one race, it's worth it in my opinion.

Rant over

Mark,


You've presented one of the most logical arguments I've seen for Tru-Start. My reason(s) for opposing T-S is not based on traditions though. We'll just agree to disagree on this topic.

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

get a faster car stop stirring ****

Bingo!

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by Carguy49

I would like to hear from the 2 racers involved in this discussion. Both Jody Lang and Bob Gullett are accomplished racers.

One did in the D6 Poll Thread.

Originally Posted by Jeff Stout

Nobody can answer why 2 cars leave together and worst red light counts but because 2 cars leave at a different time the worst red light does NOT count. By the current thinking 2 cars leave together ( dial the same) and both red light the car with the slower ET on the time slip should be the loser. Makes no sense.

LIKE

Originally Posted by Mark Faul

Yes, but every violation has a weight placed on it. If I red light, then you go on your "single" and hit the wall, I'm reinstated. Same thing if you fail fuel check or weight. Every thing is a first or worse situation. Except for the red lights.

I don't see any logical explanation through this entire thread why guys are opposed to this. Just because it's the way it's always been? I've ran super stock for 20 years and the purse has always been $1800 to win. Should that not change also????

Even if it affects just one race, it's worth it in my opinion.

Rant over

LIKE


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley
get a faster car stop stirring ****

Bingo!
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Sean Cour 6396 Superstock
GT/CDEFA

Then what is the point of a forum at all ? AND I am NOT stirring **** !!! I cited an example and related it to a new product from Compulink that one of the people that helped push the creation of , has chimed in here as well giving their reasoning. The ones stirring **** are putting monkeys on a wall and stating that the guy at the front of this thread (me) doesn't race stock, his car sucks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah ...........

[Dave Noll]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

get a faster car

I'm working on it.

[Mike Schwartz]

In the current method, the system waits until both cars cross the finish line. If only one breaks out that is the loser. If both break out, the one furthest under loses. Tru-Start just makes the starting line work the same way. The system waits until both cars leave the line. If only one fouls that is the loser. If both leave too quickly the one furthest under gets the loss. It's a issue of consistency.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

Under the T-S system in a handicap race, if the slower car redlights he is NOT immediately DQd and can in fact win that round if the faster car redlights by a greater amount. In the case where the slower car goes on green and the faster car redlights, the faster car IS automatically DQd. If fairness is being sought using the T-S system, why does the slower car, in the last instance, get a second chance to win the round and the faster car doesn't (he's immediately DQd)? Sounds like the for-sure DQ is shifted to the faster car in a handicap race.

Don, I have to admit that this another new wrinkle that I haven't heard before.

I would say that the answer is that this is just one of the concessions we have to make in handicap racing.
I'm sure you wouldn't want to run the A, AA ,or factory cars heads up , I wouldn't think.
Using your example, the same could be said about the finish line. If the slow car crosses first, and breaks out 2 hun, then technically he lost ..for a split second. But then the fast car crosses and breaks out 4 hun. Did the slow car get a second chance ? Depends on how much one wants to torture this argument.
I say that it's just the nature of handicap racing.

Originally Posted by Don Morris

My reason(s) for opposing T-S is not based on traditions though.

Also curious if your reasoning is based on the above mentioned premise.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

get a faster car stop stirring ****

Be a quicker driver and win more rounds...

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Both the current system and TrueStart encourage red lights by yielding a winner no matter what. I would like to see the timing of the tree changed to reduce the anticipation by the drivers that causes red lights in the first place. Has anyone raced a handicapped start with a pro style tree where all the yellows flash quick at the same time? A quick tree might level the playing field better than a computer picking a winner from a pair of losers.

[HandOverFist]

I would be willing to try it out before making any concrete judgements/statements.

[RobbieRacer]

Originally Posted by HandOverFist

I would be willing to try it out before making any concrete judgements/statements.

This is how I feel about it too. In all the years I have been racing I think I have only lost 2 or 3 times on a double red light. It's just something that only happens once or twice at an event in the hundreds of runs made.
The only time it sucks is when it happens to "You".

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by FireSale

Be a quicker driver and win more rounds...

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Both the current system and TrueStart encourage red lights by yielding a winner no matter what. I would like to see the timing of the tree changed to reduce the anticipation by the drivers that causes red lights in the first place. Has anyone raced a handicapped start with a pro style tree where all the yellows flash quick at the same time? A quick tree might level the playing field better than a computer picking a winner from a pair of losers.

Next race I will run to my car take a faster piss drink my coffee in a gulp and try to stage first and be the first back to my trailer if that is what you mean because I know you are not talking about my driving? And have the quickest monkey!