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[Ed Fernandez]

Just looked at 1st rd qualifying at Maple Grove.Noticed this

AA to C incl. sticks: 37 cars
D to H incl. sticks: 32 cars
G down including sticks: 21
No criticism,conspiracies,complaints,wise remarks.Just an observation.That's a lot of fast cars.Not good for me.

Ed F.

[Mark Yacavone]

But... the last three stockers at Norwalk were all 12 second cars.

[Michael Beard]

It'll probably continue that way until the upper classes get populated to the point with faster and faster cars that the perceived advantage starts to wane. You may start to see some of the mid-class cars make a resurgence in the future, but the list on incentives to running a lower-class car or FWD has been steadily shrinking over the years. Right now, you've got 'cost' and 'because its cool' on your side.

MB - thinkin' I might see if I can run the Turismo at the $5K S/SS race at Beaver.

[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Just looked at 1st rd qualifying at Maple Grove.Noticed this
AA to C incl. sticks: 37 cars
D to H incl. sticks: 32 cars
G down including sticks: 21
No criticism,conspiracies,complaints,wise remarks.Just an observation.That's a lot of fast cars.Not good for me. Ed F.

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

John, That is just one of the reasons why there will never be many slow cars in the eliminator, unless the current structure and rules change dramatically.

[Jack Matyas]

Mark -- if you remember when we started doing this it was a good thing to have a slow car -- what changed?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Mark -- if you remember when we started doing this it was a good thing to have a slow car -- what changed?

Jacko, I could write a book on this subject.

Here's a blurb for the cover:

" Remember when you used to have to win your class to get in the eliminator?"

[Robert Pare Racing]

John, here's an idea..drive your own car and don't red light. If you can cut a bulb you don't need to worry about it. Think of having a slow car as leaving on a clean tree.

[GarysZ24]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Mark -- if you remember when we started doing this it was a good thing to have a slow car -- what changed?

Jack,

I'm not sure what all would be in Marks book (answering your question), but I think I know one or two things that've changed when you guys started doing this level of racing:

1. The aftermarket made a lot more products for slower cars to use in Stock/Super Stock than they do now---remember when Hooker Headers produced headers for Chevy FWD V6's? Ask Linda Sherman about them since she had them on her Citation, back in the '90's before she sold the car to Randy Hyman.

2. We don't have the luxury of a variety of slick sizes like the faster class cars do as well, and I don't know of any radial slicks being made that are clearance legal for Stock that fwd's or cars such as Lane Weber's "Skyhawk" can use...do you? If so please tell me who makes them, so I can shop for them...

3. Even the big three's high-performance catalogs had products that would be legal for slower rollers to use in our classes back then..(i.e. the Mopar stuff for the 2.2's, and parts for the GM 90 & 60 degree V6's, and their 2.0 4cyl engines--after all, the Archer brothers were terrors in I.M.S.A. racing back in the 80's with their Cavaliers with those engines...).

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

Jack,

I'm not sure what all would be in Marks book (answering your question), but I think I know one or two things that've changed when you guys started doing this level of racing:

1. The aftermarket made a lot more products for slower cars to use in Stock/Super Stock than they do now---remember when Hooker Headers produced headers for Chevy FWD V6's? Ask Linda Sherman about them since she had them on her Citation, back in the '90's before she sold the car to Randy Hyman.

2. We don't have the luxury of a variety of slick sizes like the faster class cars do as well, and I don't know of any radial slicks being made that are clearance legal for Stock that fwd's or cars such as Lane Weber's "Skyhawk" can use...do you? If so please tell me who makes them, so I can shop for them...

3. Even the big three's high-performance catalogs had products that would be legal for slower rollers to use in our classes back then..(i.e. the Mopar stuff for the 2.2's, and parts for the GM 90 & 60 degree V6's, and their 2.0 4cyl engines--after all, the Archer brothers were terrors in I.M.S.A. racing back in the 80's with their Cavaliers with those engines...).

Gary -- I feel your pain but the facts remain -- we have choices to make and one of them is to pick a class where you can do well -- when alot of us started doing this we didn't buy parts from a catalogue-- we made them .As for the "Big 3 " being involved -- well thats over -- there bankrupt and its doubtful they'll be back( maybe with the exception of Ford Motor Co.) -- its not the Eighties anymore .