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[John Kelley]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Just looked at 1st rd qualifying at Maple Grove.Noticed this
AA to C incl. sticks: 37 cars
D to H incl. sticks: 32 cars
G down including sticks: 21
No criticism,conspiracies,complaints,wise remarks.Just an observation.That's a lot of fast cars.Not good for me. Ed F.

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

Looks to me like a VERY GOOD reason to update to FIRST OR WORST on RED LIGHTS !!
Why should the fast cars get a FREE PASS on a slower car red lighting ??

John, That is just one of the reasons why there will never be many slow cars in the eliminator, unless the current structure and rules change dramatically.

[Jack Matyas]

Mark -- if you remember when we started doing this it was a good thing to have a slow car -- what changed?

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Mark -- if you remember when we started doing this it was a good thing to have a slow car -- what changed?

Jacko, I could write a book on this subject.

Here's a blurb for the cover:

" Remember when you used to have to win your class to get in the eliminator?"

[Robert Pare Racing]

John, here's an idea..drive your own car and don't red light. If you can cut a bulb you don't need to worry about it. Think of having a slow car as leaving on a clean tree.

[S.E. Buchanan]

John's comment brings back the comment of all these past years. "If you don't like Stock/Super Stock Class Racing get an ET car."

We work on our cars and try to go fast and be the fastest in our class otherwise we would go bracket racing. That's what Class Racing was designed for.

No offense to you John but we have been over this a thousand times and it gets tiresome.

[bill dedman]

No, what gets tiresome, S.E., is the refusal of NHRA to level the playing field for this antique glitch in the system. It won't make them a red cent, so they can't be bothered.

Dunno if you remember, but when they first started having break-outs, the first car to break-out lost the race.

They fixed that, so that the car that breaks-out out the MOST is the loser.

Why should red lights be any different?

The car that has the worse red light should always lose the race. Having it be the FIRST car to redlight be the loser makes NO sense because it will ALWAYS BE that the first car to leave; the slower one. can deprive the seconf car to leave of THE SAME OPPORTUNITY, if the first (slower) car redlights.

There is no moral justification for that.

Now, there's no practical justification for it, either, since the electronic technology to compare the two lights and determine a winner has existed for some time, now. There's just no reason not to fix it.

Don't give me a list of reasons why the slower cars should face this red light jeopardy to a greater extent than the faster cars... I can give you an equally long list of reasons why they shouldn't.

When this first red light rule was instated, there was no alternative; now there is.

NHRA needs to fix it.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Robert Pare Racing

John, here's an idea..drive your own car and don't red light. If you can cut a bulb you don't need to worry about it. Think of having a slow car as leaving on a clean tree.

I agree with Robert about one thing. It all depends on how you're looking at the tree. That's why I don't stay up nights worrying about redlighting first.
On the other hand , I don't see any reason to not fix it, in this day and age.
Oh yes I do . It might help out a slower car once in a while. Just look at who's usually against this change.

"I need wheelie bars. I can't leave hard enough on the last bulb without them"
OK, no problem . Here ya' go. You slower cars can have them too.

"I don't like that deep staging thing. It might give a slower leaving car some flexibility in leaving on the last bulb"
Ok, let's take a poll. Guess what? There's more fast cars around now. Look who wins? Imagine that.

"I can't win class at Indy with my new A-B-C fi car. Help me out. Change that 40 year old rule."

OK, no problem. Let's take a poll. Guess what ? There's more class losers with 10 second cars nowadays . Look who wins this one?

to be continued...

[bill dedman]

This advice, "don't red light." is a lot like the advice, "WIN THE RACE."

Reminds me of that that one lady said, "It's the same every time; just BOOM BOOM BOOM, GO! Whats' the problem???"

LOL!

"Don't red light." Riiiiight..

It's nice that there's a sense of humor on this board.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

I agree with Robert about one thing. It all depends on how you're looking at the tree. That's why I don't stay up nights worrying about redlighting first.
On the other hand , I don't see any reason to not fix it, in this day and age.
Oh yes I do . It might help out a slower car once in a while. Just look at who's usually against this change.

"I need wheelie bars. I can't leave hard enough on the last bulb without them"
OK, no problem . Here ya' go. You slower cars can have them too.

"I don't like that deep staging thing. It might give a slower leaving car some flexibility in leaving on the last bulb"
Ok, let's take a poll. Guess what? There's more fast cars around now. Look who wins? Imagine that.

"I can't win class at Indy with my new A-B-C fi car. Help me out. Change that 40 year old rule."

OK, no problem. Let's take a poll. Guess what ? There's more class losers with 10 second cars nowadays . Look who wins this one?

to be continued...

I think this post shows that people with nothing better to do will just keep on asking for changes..it has changed to much and to fast the last ten years..the first red light rule has cons and pro's...It will not change anything in the end...but just be another "Change" ..dual redlights where the first car did not drag the other car along isn't that many..and the cases were the slower cars in that scenario is the winner is even fewer...just a another way for a "redlight looser" to get back in the race as i see it..DONT REDLIGHT..put the pressure on the other guy...if you have problems with redlights you wont win anything anyway...so change that manner instead!