Ford First "Stocker" Into The Eights

[MikeFicacci]

Congrats to Don for being the first 8-second stocker and congrats to JDM Engineering for supplying the power. Don goes out there every week with his foot to floor and his team spent countless hours getting that car that work.

What a lot of you guys don't know is that Don got the short-end of the NHRA stick 40-something years ago when he campaigned his Chevy and got run all over by the "new" under-factored combinations. Don didn't quit or bitch, and now his name is forever in the record books. Congrats guys.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

You are exactly right. You have to wonder how looking at the specs these were allowed their HP ratings when approved. On what planet would the 5.9L DP be the same 275 HP as the 275 hp GM LT1? Really? If we still had Farmer this would not be such a mess. I was told the NHRA tech people do know that many DPs are running with two barrels on the throttle body disconnected, and they don't care. Bill Farmer Dismuke would have cared.

Yeah right Ed,
As I recall many of our mutual friends and fellow racers with 327/275 Chevies and 340/275 Mopars, and 351/285 Fords wondered the exact same thing in 1993.

I often wondered how GM could pull 30 HP more out of those with only a hood change?
I even asked Danny Gracia that same question.
Next time we see each other I will tell you what he said.

[Ed Wright]

But, Alex, if the LT1 is under rated, how can the 5.9 DP be rated the same, and not be even worse? Have you looked at the specs? No way a knowledgable person could compare the two and think "Yeah, those two are the same HP". I have data from someone I trust telling me those heads go 300 CFM right out of the box. My HeadsUp! LT1 SS heads are about 40 behind.

If your talking about the LT1 versus 5.9 DP HP rating I'm sure interested in hearing that one. :-)

That hood deal? Got me. I have taped the scoops up on my WS6 daily driver, it ran the same times both ways. I have dyno tested several on my old chassis dyno. If I gave you twenty dyno sheets, half ram air & half not, you could not tell me which were which. The low restriction exhaust that comes with the hood does not make as much difference as they vary car-to-car due to production tolerances and how they were broken in.

[Alex Denysenko]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

But, Alex, if the LT1 is under rated,
IT MOST CERTAINLY WAS

That hood deal? Got me. I have taped the scoops up on my WS6 daily driver, it ran the same times both ways. I have dyno tested several on my old chassis dyno. If I gave you twenty dyno sheets, half ram air & half not, you could not tell me which were which. The low restriction exhaust that comes with the hood does not make as much difference as they vary car-to-car due to production tolerances and how they were broken in.

You just proved my point exactly Ed.
Thank you.
Just goes to show that GM under rated it at least 30 HP.
Ask Monte Howard, or Mike Walter who were very accomplished stocker racers in their own right how they felt about the LT-1 HP when they hit the scene.
GM had their day in the S/SS sun for a long time when they were supplying NHRA with bags of cash and vehicles.

[RJDUDEK]

Q. That 4wide track has a 1% down hill after 1/2 way? True.or False.

[Geerhead55]

Originally Posted by RJDUDEK

Q. That 4wide track has a 1% down hill after 1/2 way? True.or False.

Could be,,,, the Top Fuel speed record got bumped 4 times this weekend, right?
Ask Tony and Spenser,,, they're not worried about saving their combinations!
Danny Durham

[Phillip marvetz]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Many of us called BS on this deal back in 2008. nhra is the lady of the streets on this deal. The oem's flaunted a little cash and nhra stumbled over any class it may have had left to grab the chump change. Where are all the new car enablers now? And, exactly how have the new cars helped the majority of Stock racers? What benefits have trickled down to them? Sure the little magazine writers, oem dealers and fab guys got a boost from it. But what the hell have these new cars done for the majority of Stock racers? Nothing! All the new cars have done is given the ego guys a chance to take advantage of their fellow racers and, in the end, they have chased off many dedicated racers. This scam was obvious to all of us from the very beginning. No matter which side a person supported we all knew it was a scam. nhra knew it as well and chose the cowards way out by hiding behind the ahfs. This sordid tale will not smell any better in the years to come.

Thanks Bruce. I started building my A car well before this all started and have given up on it now. NHRA killed my desire to pursue stock eliminator. My car is more fun at the old time drags now.

[Phillip marvetz]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Hey Bruce - its me -- Scooby Do -- and I'm not happy .......Care to share those dyno numbers with the rest of the World ? And maybe the dyno sheets and where they came from -- and whose they were ..........inquiring minds want to know .

BTW - Sorry I'm going to miss your friends campaign as I don't tweet .But I whistle pretty good .........

I've seen and been there when one these new cars put 800hp to the tires on a chassis dyno. That's almost twice what my Hemi put down the day before.

[HR9121]

What's really going to be funny is when NHRA cuts the stockers back to racing a 1000' in the interest of safety or maybe even 1/8 mile racing! Just something to think about.

[D.Johns]

The NHRA website and even ESPN2 actually put something up about it in the middle of all the nitro/pro guys. That is some media attention for Stock Eliminator that some always complain the class lacks. The cars have brought more attention to the sport and new interest in cars being built to compete. I'm building a 2013 CJ to compete I never considered it before the CJs showed up. Because of the CJs many of my mustang friends are also looking at getting into racing here(and not just CJs to race but other models). Like them or not they are here to stay. So stop complaining on the Internet and get to work on your race car. Nothing worth doing is ever easy. If it was easy everyone would do it and you would still have the 5% that would rise to the top. This isn't only true in racing but in life. 95% of the people are just along for the ride.