I wonder...........

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Dgal
The 2008 CJ was not a full blown race car like the 2010's. The 2008 had a ford factory stick shift trans, along with many other parts that needed to be changed before it could run like the two that were at U.S. Nationals this year.

Charley,

I understand that was the point you were trying to make, but you threw in the term "True Stocker." That was what I was focusing on.

It is a matter of how one defines "True Stocker." I understand that the only opinion that carries weight is the NHRA. It is my opinion that a "True Stocker" would meet the emission standards and be licensed for the street at the time the combo was released. The spirit of Stock Eliminator.

Anything less than that would be a Super Stocker (ala '68 Hemi Cuda/Darts).

Don Galanis

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Nope, but it did at the time it was produced. That is the point.

I am asking because I don't know for sure and cannot think of one until the admission of the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets by the NHRA into Stock Eliminator. Can you name any other combo, prior those two, that didn't meet emissions and licensing for the street at the time produced?

Don Galanis

The CJ that my family owns could be licensed and insured for street use. Would be interesting to see if it passed emissions. I'll bet it would be closer than you think, if not pass. The only thing that NHRA screwed up on is the h.p. factors. There has been "bogus" combos allowed quite a few times over the years by Not Held Responsible Anytime!!

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Nope, but it did at the time it was produced. That is the point.

I am asking because I don't know for sure and cannot think of one until the admission of the Drag Paks and Cobra Jets by the NHRA into Stock Eliminator. Can you name any other combo, prior those two, that didn't meet emissions and licensing for the street at the time produced?

Don Galanis

As far as emissions goes a 69 Camaro, never had to pass an emissions check. Neither did a Street Hemi, or a Max Wedge.
And I think with the right programmer you could get the new cars past.
Remember they are electronicly controlled.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Charley,

I understand that was the point you were trying to make, but you threw in the term "True Stocker." That was what I was focusing on.

It is a matter of how one defines "True Stocker." I understand that the only opinion that carries weight is the NHRA. It is my opinion that a "True Stocker" would meet the emission standards and be licensed for the street at the time the combo was released. The spirit of Stock Eliminator.

Anything less than that would be a Super Stocker (ala '68 Hemi Cuda/Darts).

Don Galanis

Don the big problem here is everyone has their own idea as to what "stock" constitutes.
My idea was you use stock factory parts. I did that with my FWD stockers and nobody seemed to appreciate it.

[Craig Couris]

Charley,

The 2008 FR500CJ needs the following to race which I have brand new on pallets:

1. Drag race struts and shocks. The rears are too short and the fronts are too stiff. I had a custom set of Konis built by Truechoice for the car. Would you like to buy them?

2. Racing transmission from Joel, same Factory supplier of the 2010 CJ. I have a new trans, bellhousing, ATI converter, Turbo Action shifter and all the other stuff one needs to race.

3. Factory roll bar finished into a cage

4. Radials

5. The 4:10 factory gear is plenty once a good program is loaded into the car.

6. The engine is basically the same as a 2010 with a little smaller throttle body and a little less blower and of course different part numbers. All the current National records are held by 2008 cars just in case you haven't looked lately.

7. The 900 hp is not accurate. It was actually 979hp on a certain Ford suppliers dyno. I have atmospheric street cars that make more than 650hp on pump gas. You may be a little low.

So you need about $7,500.00- $10,000.00 extra dollars to go 9.30's. That's not so bad is it?

Any other questions?

You're in denial and I'm not referring to the river in Egypt.

Craig

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

The CJ that my family owns could be licensed and insured for street use. Would be interesting to see if it passed emissions. I'll bet it would be closer than you think, if not pass. The only thing that NHRA screwed up on is the h.p. factors. There has been "bogus" combos allowed quite a few times over the years by Not Held Responsible Anytime!!

My mistake then. I thought the CJs were off road use only (no VIN). It appears that you are verifying they were not. Seriously, do you know of any that wouldn't meet emission standards at the time or preventing them from being licensed for the street (ie: safety standards, VIN, etc...)?

Don Galanis

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by art leong

As far as emissions goes a 69 Camaro, never had to pass an emissions check. Neither did a Street Hemi, or a Max Wedge.
And I think with the right programmer you could get the new cars past.
Remember they are electronicly controlled.

I understand that, but those were the standards at the time released. They also met requirements to be licensed on the street. It seems like such a simple concept to me.

If it takes what appears to be a Super Stocker to beat us in a head's up race then so be it. I wouldn't be proud to win that way, but again that is my opinion.

Don Galanis

[Craig Couris]

By the way, that is my last post on this thread because I've made my point.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by art leong

Don the big problem here is everyone has their own idea as to what "stock" constitutes.
My idea was you use stock factory parts. I did that with my FWD stockers and nobody seemed to appreciate it.

The '68 Hemi Cuda/Dart used stock factory parts, but they were Super Stock as they should have been. Not sure what you mean by "nobody seemed to appreciate it." It is my understanding that many here (me included) are quite impressed with what you have been able to accomplish with your combos.

Don Galanis

[Mike Pearson]

I was in the other lane on the run. I was definately a head gasket. started blowing steam out of the headers at half track. Roy never lifted. water was all over the ground after the run on the return road. Must have pushed out a head gasket with the blower pressure. I ran 10.04 on that run and he left me like I was tied to a stump That is one baddddd boy.