HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? - Page 2

Nitro Joe Jackson · 01-17-2009, 01:22 PM

We are having an independent Hemi Shootout at the Mopars at the strip event March 20-22 2009. I have not been told the purse as of yet or who is invited or coming. I hope I can do the invites, lol.
But I will be there running the event, this will be my 7th yr of being the racing director for that event.
Anyhow the story I'm hearing Indy might be the only NHRA official one if that one happens.
I think it got kind of stinky there with the shootouts.

John Lang · 01-17-2009, 01:35 PM

Dick, the things that you pointed out are not only on the HEMI cars but alot of the SS field, if you were to look a little closer! As in 68 Corvette's in SS, in regard to scoop height . A lot of these cars have moved the steering boxes out to the frame rails for header clearance etc.These were not just Corvettes, or Hemis, but alot of SS cars! .......John

bill dedman · 01-17-2009, 06:29 PM

X-TECH MAN said, "Nobody said these were "WEDGE" blocks being modified and used..."

No, nobody said that, but since there were never EVER any short deck (factory) Hemi blocks made, and you contend that these alleged engines have "APPROX. 1" shorter decks," the only way they could exist is if they started out as wedge (383/400) blocks, unless somebody ran a batch of castings with 383/400 deck measurements and a Hemi top deck. I seriously doubt that that ever happened.

Am I missing something here? Enlighten me........ please.

I don't think it's fair to the people who run Hemis in S/S to have this kind of innuendo floating around without some basis in fact. So, even though you have said that you don't want to say any more about this, I think you owe it to the people involved to at least explain how such a thing would be possible.
Forget the titanium cranks and relocated rocker arms for the moment and focus on the blocks that are being used. If they are, in fact, Hemi blocks, they already HAVE exhaust pushrod clearance, so there would be no reason to move the rocker stands. That makes NO sense to me..

How do you get a "B" engine to have a deck approximately 1" shorter than the oem part? Using a 383/400 block is the only way I can imagine that it would be possible.

Curious minds want to know... and, as an "ex-tech man," myself, so do ~I~.... I'll bet Jared Jordan would like to know, too...

How 'bout it????

Bill

Dyno · 01-17-2009, 08:30 PM

Considering that a RB/Hemi bock has a deck height of 10.72", most of the hemi's being run with the new blocks that are currently available, are decking the block .400" to .500". Anything more than that there will not be enough deck left. Pushrod clearance with the deck also becomes a serious issue. $5500.00 cranks, I do not think so! Dyno

Jared Jordan · 01-17-2009, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

Curious minds want to know... and, as an "ex-tech man," myself, so do ~I~.... I'll bet Jared Jordan would like to know, too...

To be honest, I thought some of the "innuendo" was pretty funny.

No way a Hemi block gets to 9.980" (383/400 Deck Height)...at least not if you want any deck surface left over. The 383/400 blocks won't hold 900+ HP reliably anyway. No one is running titanium crankshafts. What's the point? The overall weight of the crankshaft might be lighter but the engine still has to be balanced, so there wouldn't be a gain in rotating mass to be had to justify the expense. True you could run a titanium rod, but then you run into the problem of NHRA inspecting the bottom end during teardown. They do have approved rods we can use and none are titanium.

Last rumor I heard regarding Mopar and the Shootouts were that Indy and Vegas (MATS) are a sure thing but there won't be any others. Again....just a rumor.

As far as racing plans go, the plan is to be out more this year than we were a year ago but I couldn't tell you where or when exactly that will be. Not my decision to make.

X-TECH MAN · 01-17-2009, 09:43 PM

You didnt really expect me to publish the EXACT spec's of what they are doing on this forum now did you? Makes one wonder though about who is doing what in the "millionairs club" LOL

Dwight Southerland · 01-17-2009, 10:03 PM

I know the replacement blocks from MoPar now have decks that are at least .750".

Jared Jordan · 01-17-2009, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

You didnt really expect me to publish the EXACT spec's of what they are doing on this forum now did you? Makes one wonder though about who is doing what in the "millionairs club" LOL

No. I didn't. I know what the exact spec's are though. I've spent a couple hours with a reputable engine builder. :-)

Though I must admit I'm curious as to where you get your information. Can't blame me for that can you? LOL

bill dedman · 01-17-2009, 11:54 PM

Thanks, Jared; I knew you'd have some info about this issue...

I appreciate the insight.

Bill

Geerhead55 · 01-18-2009, 02:28 AM

Hey Jim,,, Take that Crown Royal,, get a shot glass and pour 1/3 CR,,1/3 Amaretto and 1/3 coffee creamer( I like French Vanilla ,but cinnamon, and caramel vanilla are good also) and take a shot. It goes down real smooth. Out here we call them Dr. Paines (after 2 drag racing brothers Glenn and Don Paine) but maybe they are called something else in another neck of the woods. Anyway its a better party when Dr.Paine is in the house! Heres looking at you.................Danny Durham

01-17-2009, 01:22 PM	#11
Nitro Joe Jackson VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Loudonville, Ohio or where ever the Nitro Lounge is parked Posts: 2,293 Likes: 58 Liked 67 Times in 19 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? We are having an independent Hemi Shootout at the Mopars at the strip event March 20-22 2009. I have not been told the purse as of yet or who is invited or coming. I hope I can do the invites, lol. But I will be there running the event, this will be my 7th yr of being the racing director for that event. Anyhow the story I'm hearing Indy might be the only NHRA official one if that one happens. I think it got kind of stinky there with the shootouts. __________________ Nitro Joe Jackson STK 3431 nitrojoe@neo.rr.com

01-17-2009, 01:35 PM	#12
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? D. Butler Dick, the things that you pointed out are not only on the HEMI cars but alot of the SS field, if you were to look a little closer! As in 68 Corvette's in SS, in regard to scoop height . A lot of these cars have moved the steering boxes out to the frame rails for header clearance etc.These were not just Corvettes, or Hemis, but alot of SS cars! .......John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

01-17-2009, 06:29 PM	#13
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? X-TECH MAN said, "Nobody said these were "WEDGE" blocks being modified and used..." No, nobody said that, but since there were never EVER any short deck (factory) Hemi blocks made, and you contend that these alleged engines have "APPROX. 1" shorter decks," the only way they could exist is if they started out as wedge (383/400) blocks, unless somebody ran a batch of castings with 383/400 deck measurements and a Hemi top deck. I seriously doubt that that ever happened. Am I missing something here? Enlighten me........ please. I don't think it's fair to the people who run Hemis in S/S to have this kind of innuendo floating around without some basis in fact. So, even though you have said that you don't want to say any more about this, I think you owe it to the people involved to at least explain how such a thing would be possible. Forget the titanium cranks and relocated rocker arms for the moment and focus on the blocks that are being used. If they are, in fact, Hemi blocks, they already HAVE exhaust pushrod clearance, so there would be no reason to move the rocker stands. That makes NO sense to me.. How do you get a "B" engine to have a deck approximately 1" shorter than the oem part? Using a 383/400 block is the only way I can imagine that it would be possible. Curious minds want to know... and, as an "ex-tech man," myself, so do ~I~.... I'll bet Jared Jordan would like to know, too... How 'bout it???? Bill __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 01-17-2009 at 06:36 PM.

01-17-2009, 08:30 PM	#14
Dyno Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 918 Likes: 1,140 Liked 693 Times in 205 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Considering that a RB/Hemi bock has a deck height of 10.72", most of the hemi's being run with the new blocks that are currently available, are decking the block .400" to .500". Anything more than that there will not be enough deck left. Pushrod clearance with the deck also becomes a serious issue. $5500.00 cranks, I do not think so! Dyno

01-17-2009, 09:43 PM	#16
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? You didnt really expect me to publish the EXACT spec's of what they are doing on this forum now did you? Makes one wonder though about who is doing what in the "millionairs club" LOL

01-17-2009, 10:03 PM	#17
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,001 Likes: 64 Liked 780 Times in 194 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? I know the replacement blocks from MoPar now have decks that are at least .750".

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bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Thanks, Jared; I knew you'd have some info about this issue... I appreciate the insight. Bill __________________ Bill

01-18-2009, 02:28 AM	#20
Geerhead55 VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Tacoma, Washington Posts: 1,632 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 5 Posts	Re: HEMI'S ....SS/AH question ? Hey Jim,,, Take that Crown Royal,, get a shot glass and pour 1/3 CR,,1/3 Amaretto and 1/3 coffee creamer( I like French Vanilla ,but cinnamon, and caramel vanilla are good also) and take a shot. It goes down real smooth. Out here we call them Dr. Paines (after 2 drag racing brothers Glenn and Don Paine) but maybe they are called something else in another neck of the woods. Anyway its a better party when Dr.Paine is in the house! Heres looking at you.................Danny Durham