Factory experimental

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

All this fuss about "paper cars", I just dont understand.

In what way is the Mustang a paper car? Ford actually built fifty showroom available cars that run and drive.

[bill dedman]

Evan Smith wrote, in regard to the cars in question: "They are built on a special Ford assembly line in a Roush building,"

This is spin #3,428....

Are they, in fact, Fords? Apparently not... in a previous post you have said, "Ford and Roush are not tied at the hips at all when it comes to drag racing. Roush is listed as the MANUFACTURER of Roush Mustangs, not Ford." and, " When you purchase one of these cars, you get a Roush Mustang."

So, which is it; a Ford Mustang, or a Roush Mustang??? I guess, given what you are contending, it's a ROUSH. It can't be both....

Having said that, what significance exists then, to "They are built on a special Ford assembly line in a Roush building..."

So, we have a 2010 "ROUSH" coming down a "Ford" assembly line, with Roush building a car that is NOT a "FORD."
RE: "Roush is listed as the manufacturer of its Roush Mustangs, not Ford..."

Can you see why this sounds like spin city???

IE: How can it be a "FORD" assembly line" Ford has nothing to do with it, at this point. It's a Roush assembly line; not a Ford... building a car that is a 2010 ROUSH.

That makes it an "aftermarket" car, to me... not that that matters. Nobody cares what I think, nor should they; I'm just trying to sort this out so that it makes some kind of sense. A blown, "Stocker" with 4 valves per cylinder is unprecedented and deserves close scrutiny, regardless of WHO builds it. None of the other cars that were built "off-site," like the Thunderbolts and '68 Hemi Mopar A-bodies were ~ever~ in Stock Eliminator. That's what I mean by "un-precedented." Can you think of any such car, Evan? Not the cross-ram AMC Super Stock AMX's. NHRA wouldn't even let the '63 Tempests with the 421 powertrains into Super Stock, much less Stock... nor, the '63 Z-11 Chevys, at the time. Made 'em both run A/FX...

Besides, I wasn't really trying to prove ~anything~ about the new Cobra Jets; I'm more curious about the '63 Z-11 cars as to why this 2010 car makes it into Stock Eliminator and the 46 year-old Chevy doesn't. Guess that's not your department though; just thought I'd raise the question. Forgive the digressions of an old man...

Try to spell my name right; I'm not dead yet... (gettin' closer, evey day...) LOL!

Bill DEDMAN

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

http://www.nhra.com/content/news/34684.htm

Holy crap! $1000,00 to win a national in a ford?? HELLO!! What is the main gripe here? MONEY! And here is a manufacture stepping back in (which will drag the others in) Paying good money for contingency, pushing exposure of Stock, big names to drive....c'mon guys, seriously, what is the downside? One car that will dominate in heads up until it's factored like lots before it? (and lots to come)
Change the index's to start at 5.00 for A and go to Z

Geez...I hope when you prepare your taxes your not as easy with the zero's!
Here's the real deal:

Wolfe said, "There are a number of reasons why this is significant. Ford has not been involved in Sportsman racing for quite a few years, but now we're going to be paying $1,000 in contingency earnings for anyone who wins an NHRA national event title in a Sportsman category, from Comp through Super Street. The new Cobra Jet is hopefully just the beginning of other similar projects to come in the future. We hope to offer a 2010 MY Cobra Jet, and details about that car should be available either late in the spring or the early summer."

[Bruce Noland]

Evan,
Thanks for the response. You mentioned the deal about the Mustangs coming out of the Roush building?

I don't think the Ford executives listened when you spoke to them about running a ringer. I spoke to several of them at the SEMA Show and they were in full gloat over their plans for Stock. You know the deal at SEMA we have both done the Show for 20 years. I thought the Ford guys had a concept car and were just blowing smoke, but I know now they were not.

Good luck. I hope you guys enjoy your little rocket.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Evan Smith wrote, in regard to the cars in question: "They are built on a special Ford assembly line in a Roush building,"

That goes back to what I said about Hurst Old which I believe was sold as an Oldsmobile and is classified as such. This standard was established in the sixties.

A blown, "Stocker" with 4 valves per cylinder is unprecedented and deserves close scrutiny, regardless of WHO builds it.

Actually, the 2003 Mustang Cobra has been in the books for quite a while now.

[Doug Blackley]

On the up side of factory involvement in Stock, maybe that will get Stock at all National events and perhaps Class will be contested more frequently.

[bill dedman]

Gump said, "That goes back to what I said about Hurst Olds which I believe was sold as an Oldsmobile and is classified as such. This standard was established in the sixties."
But, that's not what Evan said; he said these cars are not Fords... that they are "MANUFACTURED BY ROUSH."
No one clamied that the Hurst Oldsmobiles were not manufactured by Olds. What does that mean??? I dunno....

Your point on the 2003 blown, 4-valve motor in the Mustang is well taken. I had overlooked that one car. Is it the only example of its kind? I can't think of another one, offhand.

My apologies.

Bill

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

No one clamied that the Hurst Oldsmobiles were not manufactured by Olds. What does that mean??? I dunno....

The histories that I have read show that they were built off site at a special production facility by Hurst.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

My apologies.

I don't think that anyone needs to apogize. These forums exist for discussions just like this one.

Daren

[DK FRAZIER]

Gump your post about the hurst olds made remember the new hurst challenger is also supercharged wonder where it will fit in all of this???? seems like it was rated at 572 hp