Factory experimental

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Ed -- Its really about progress ......even your own car company ( AMC ) were involved in this type of activity in the sixties and seventies -- without this factory involvement were would we be ? Like the man said yesterday -- "Change" ..........seems you're not ready for it .

Jack you're a master of straying from the story.First off AMC never tried to sneak the SS cars into stock.
The new Mustangs actually are rated higher than the older cars.Show me an AMC who had a hp discreptancy as wide as the new Mustangs.All 68-69 390s were 315hp.All 70 390s were 325 except for the Machine that got 15 more.The big 3 were masters at fudging hp figures.
All i'm saying is that if these cars are allowed in Stock AND they are capable of mid 9s at about 140
it will take years to get them adjusted correctly,as you know a crafty drag racer can hide the true potential of their combo.Look at the #s some of the Top/Jr Stock cars run.It's right in NHRAs face and nothing is done about it.End of communication,beam me up.

Ed

[Greg Hill]

Is the motor in the new cobra jet the same motor in the Shelby GT 500? Are the specs the same? The Shelby has a rating of 500hp and the cobra jet is 425. If this is the case how is this not cheating on Fords part. I was at my son's hockey practice last night and one of his teamate's father is an engineer at Ford. I jokingly asked him if he could get me one of the new cobra jets. He said "What is a cobra jet?"
I told him what it was and said it was built at Rousch and had the same motor as the GT 500 but was rated at 425 instead of 500. His comment was " Isn't that cheating"? I don't see any specs on the Shelby motor, maybe someone familiar with them could comment.

Greg

[Evan Smith]

The CJ has much smaller cams, a full point less compression and smaller throttle body.

[Greg Hill]

Comparing the Cobra jet motor to the 510hp 281cu.in. motor goes like this. The 510 hp. motor has a.060 larger lift cam. Compression is about the same,the cobra jet has 49 more cubic inches, they both have 62mm twin bore sizes, both are intercooled and the cobra jet has larger valves and is a 4 valve head compared to a 3 valve head in the 510hp motor. Am I missing something here? With 49 more cubic inches and a lot more valve area it looks to me like the cobra jet motor should make substantially more power than the 510 hp motor. The supercharged motor should like the extra valve area.

Greg

[MPR]

The Cobra Jet engine is built at the same place as the Shelby engine but built to DIFFERENT specs. They are both 330 cu. in., the CJ at 425 hp and Shelby at 500 hp. No different than the 454/325 like in Grossi’s GT/AA car and the 454/425 in Stinnett’s car.
Most of the guys on this forum have never and will never run in a class with or against one of these Mustangs so this thread resembles the fuel injected cars in stock discussion on classracer a few years ago.
For the first time in decades Ford has become involved in NHRA Sportsmen competition. I think Brian Wolfe and the good folks at Ford Racing should be commended for their efforts. Why don’t we see how this plays out before the internet crowd tries to crucify it.

[Greg Hill]

MPR I also commend ford for getting involved in racing again. I think most of us only want to see these cars with the proper hp rating on them.

Greg

[Bruce Noland]

MPR,
Are you running in the AA or A classes? I will attempt to in just a few short weeks.

I know it's hard for someone to understand this issue, especially if they do not own an AA car, but the 2008 Cobra Jet has the very real potential to seriously reduce the value of the older cars that are currently running in these classes. We're talking about more than a million dollars down the drain. Some racers have over $100,000.00 invested in their cars. Sure, we know they we'll never get it all back when they sell them but the 2008 CJs will seriously deminish the value of these cars even further.

What seems to be the problem with a new Factory Experimental Class? Many racers said nhra would never bring back the AA and classes and they did. Vet these cars in Factory Experimental and then move them to AA if they don't have the punch that Ford and some racers say they have. What's wrong with that? Why the need to go out and beat up on a bunch of older cars that have older technology? Competition is good, however, selfishness is ugly no matter how you look at it. The CJs will stay in AA or A after they make the first pass in those classes. That is what the Roush and Ford guys want. Good luck to everyone involved after that.

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by MPR

Most of the guys on this forum have never and will never run in a class with or against one of these Mustangs so this thread resembles the fuel injected cars in stock discussion on classracer a few years ago.

So they should just SHUT UP right?..what a stupid comment! ofcourse they never will run that class after this...

[Chuck Beach]

Bruce,
Run a different class ... case resolved ...

[ss3845]

Originally Posted by bsa633

So they should just SHUT UP right?..what a stupid comment! ofcourse they never will run that class after this...

And they never would have anyway. So I have to agree with Mike. Of all the guys whining on here how many have a car that will have to race a CJ heads up?? Doesn't it strike you as odd that the guys that have the fast AA/A/B stockers aren't on here crying. They're propbably in the garage working. Why don't you give it a rest until the car makes at least 1 pass in competition.

Jim MCBean