Factory experimental

Bruce Noland · 01-25-2009, 03:49 PM

MPR,
This case is anything but closed. We fully understand evolution and we fully understand how the nhra process for classification is supposed to work.

There are a lot of people who are concerned about these cars. nhra can create a class in the wink of an eye. No problem for them - why are you so against such a minor change? There was some very minor house cleaning of several posts that were way off topic or contained taunting language. The post you referenced may have been one of those.

The Cobra Jets tested on Friday, in a closed session, at the same track and we were told that one immediately went under the national record. No one has recanted their comments. They may have traction problems but they have already demonstrated their performance. Give them the opportunity to perform on a good track with a National event prep and both nhra and Ford will have some explaining to do.

Mark Yacavone · 01-25-2009, 04:04 PM

Bruce, Where are you getting your information?
John Calvert was in Ca on Friday .Gary Stinnett was driving in from Kansas.
It was cloudy and rainy here on Friday.
Those cars weren't within 2-3 tenths of the record on Saturday

Bruce Noland · 01-25-2009, 04:10 PM

Mark,
Sounds like I was given some bad information because I certainly wasn't in Arizona. I will accept reponsibility for what I post here. And stand corrected if wrong, but I just spoke to one of the folks who was supposedly in the loop and he said not a drop of rain hit the ground on Friday. He will try to contact the person who gave him the information and re-confirm the Hajek car's test results from Friday. I will post when I hear his response.

Sent over by a friend: http://www.weather.com/outlook/trave...az0261?when=-2
It was described to me as a Chamber of Commerce Day. Please notice the zero rain total for the day.

SS Engine Guy · 01-25-2009, 04:55 PM

Just reading this but had to clarify one thing...........So each of the racers who will campaign these new cars paid $70,000 dollars for one of these?

Mark Yacavone · 01-25-2009, 05:19 PM

NO. The MSRP was 70K. Brent Hajek reportedly paid close to half a mil for the two at B-J.
He has since bought a few more too. He'll sell you one for 200K

Anybody?

Robert Swartz · 01-25-2009, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

NO. The MSRP was 70K. Brent Hajek reportedly paid close to half a mil for the two at B-J.
He has since bought a few more too. He'll sell you one for 200K

Anybody?

Wow, a 200K stocker? Makes your Mustang a bargain, Mark. Newer cars are gonna be expensive but even this seems a little over the top. Racing is no different than any other endeavor, those that have the money and power, WILL have the money and power! Another cliche, if your at the top of your class, you'll not remain there forever, "sooner or later, someone bigger and stronger will come along and knock you off that perch". That may well be what happens with these newer cars. Is it right, wrong or fair, that's not your or my decision, it just is what may be about to happen.

George Wright · 01-25-2009, 06:29 PM

Only one Cobra Jet was auction off at Barrett Jackson. It was one of two pre production units. That car is not being raced at the Winter Nationals. Brent also bought 10 of the 50 regular production Cobra Jets. 4 out of those 10 Cobra Jets will be raced by Calvert, Ronzello, Waldo and Stinnett. There are actually 54 Cobra Jets, 2 prototypes, 2 pre production and 50 regular production units.

Mark Yacavone · 01-25-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Mark,
Sounds like I was given some bad information because I certainly wasn't in Arizona. I will accept reponsibility for what I post here. And stand corrected if wrong, but I just spoke to one of the folks who was supposedly in the loop and he said not a drop of rain hit the ground on Friday. He will try to contact the person who gave him the information and re-confirm the Hajek car's test results from Friday. I will post when I hear his response.

Sent over by a friend: http://www.weather.com/outlook/trave...az0261?when=-2
It was described to me as a Chamber of Commerce Day. Please notice the zero rain total for the day.

Bruce, It DID rain in Glendale in the morning. I wasn't at Speedworld, which is about 30 miles away. It stayed overcast,with humidity at 3 X the norm. Same thing Sat til about noon. The point about the weather is that it was slow on Saturday and probably even slower Friday. I don't know for a fact that those cars didn't go down the track on Friday. I don't know who would have been driving them either.
If those cars were de-tuned after Friday, they were still spinning the tires on Saturday.
Seems hard to believe they could have been 2-3 tenths faster.
I'll find out if they went down the track on Friday, and will report.
I'm just reporting what I know.
This is the "no spin zone"

Bruce Noland · 01-25-2009, 10:44 PM

Mark,
I don't think either one of us is trying to spin anything. Obviously, I was many miles away and unable to confirm in person. So I have relied on very reliable folks to give me information as it becomes available. I was told that this was a closed session (nobody but track employees and the folks who were testing were allowed to be on the grounds) on Friday and that the track was well prepped for the folks who were testing. I would imagine the track was not as good on Saturday which I'm now told was a regular test'n tune session. I don't know which car was being tested or who was driving. I was told that the crew was jubilant when the time slip was made available to them. I'll work on it some more as well.

01-25-2009, 03:49 PM	#1
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental MPR, This case is anything but closed. We fully understand evolution and we fully understand how the nhra process for classification is supposed to work. There are a lot of people who are concerned about these cars. nhra can create a class in the wink of an eye. No problem for them - why are you so against such a minor change? There was some very minor house cleaning of several posts that were way off topic or contained taunting language. The post you referenced may have been one of those. The Cobra Jets tested on Friday, in a closed session, at the same track and we were told that one immediately went under the national record. No one has recanted their comments. They may have traction problems but they have already demonstrated their performance. Give them the opportunity to perform on a good track with a National event prep and both nhra and Ford will have some explaining to do. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 01-25-2009 at 04:03 PM.

01-25-2009, 04:04 PM	#2
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,809 Likes: 2,900 Liked 5,114 Times in 1,948 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Bruce, Where are you getting your information? John Calvert was in Ca on Friday .Gary Stinnett was driving in from Kansas. It was cloudy and rainy here on Friday. Those cars weren't within 2-3 tenths of the record on Saturday __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

01-25-2009, 04:10 PM	#3
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Mark, Sounds like I was given some bad information because I certainly wasn't in Arizona. I will accept reponsibility for what I post here. And stand corrected if wrong, but I just spoke to one of the folks who was supposedly in the loop and he said not a drop of rain hit the ground on Friday. He will try to contact the person who gave him the information and re-confirm the Hajek car's test results from Friday. I will post when I hear his response. Sent over by a friend: http://www.weather.com/outlook/trave...az0261?when=-2 It was described to me as a Chamber of Commerce Day. Please notice the zero rain total for the day. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 01-25-2009 at 07:37 PM.

01-25-2009, 04:55 PM	#4
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Factory experimental Just reading this but had to clarify one thing...........So each of the racers who will campaign these new cars paid $70,000 dollars for one of these?

01-25-2009, 05:19 PM	#5
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,809 Likes: 2,900 Liked 5,114 Times in 1,948 Posts	Re: Factory experimental NO. The MSRP was 70K. Brent Hajek reportedly paid close to half a mil for the two at B-J. He has since bought a few more too. He'll sell you one for 200K Anybody? __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

01-25-2009, 06:29 PM	#7
George Wright Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Michigan Posts: 184 Likes: 10 Liked 390 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Only one Cobra Jet was auction off at Barrett Jackson. It was one of two pre production units. That car is not being raced at the Winter Nationals. Brent also bought 10 of the 50 regular production Cobra Jets. 4 out of those 10 Cobra Jets will be raced by Calvert, Ronzello, Waldo and Stinnett. There are actually 54 Cobra Jets, 2 prototypes, 2 pre production and 50 regular production units. __________________ George Wright https://9500rpm.com Last edited by George Wright; 01-25-2009 at 06:31 PM.

01-25-2009, 10:44 PM	#9
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Factory experimental Mark, I don't think either one of us is trying to spin anything. Obviously, I was many miles away and unable to confirm in person. So I have relied on very reliable folks to give me information as it becomes available. I was told that this was a closed session (nobody but track employees and the folks who were testing were allowed to be on the grounds) on Friday and that the track was well prepped for the folks who were testing. I would imagine the track was not as good on Saturday which I'm now told was a regular test'n tune session. I don't know which car was being tested or who was driving. I was told that the crew was jubilant when the time slip was made available to them. I'll work on it some more as well. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK