2008 Cobra Jets belong in Stock

[Jack Matyas]

Chad -- I get it perfectly -- you said there are "tons" of LS guys using "Fly by Wire" -- not true -- there are no Stockers.........Period ! ! Don't use me for an example if I'm not one . There are other places to talk about brackets.........this one is Stock/SuperStock .

[S.E. Buchanan]

I agree with Evan. There are many deserving Ford Guys that would like to have
a free new Cobra Jet but I think Ford (or whoever) picked two of the most deserving
and won with one of them.

S.E.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Chad -- I get it perfectly -- you said there are "tons" of LS guys using "Fly by Wire" -- not true -- there are no Stockers.........Period ! ! Don't use me for an example if I'm not one . There are other places to talk about brackets.........this one is Stock/SuperStock .

Jack. The poin of what i said, and i even said they bracket raced with them, never said they were stockers, was to explain what the technology was capable of doing, how it could be manipulated. you just want to argue about something that was never a point. please show me where i said that there where a bunch of fly by wire LS stocker. I never said it. when you asked specifically about stockers, i told you what i knew, which was one street car that occasionally runs stock, and i raised the question of the several other C5's as I don't know, but assume they are cable operated. I don't appreciate having words put in my mouth, but I apologize if you didn't interpret what I wrote as I intended.

[Mark Yacavone]

Bruce, as a Great American once said: "I feel your pain".
You have alot of good points

That being said, NHRA really opened the door for this a few years ago,when they allowed limited run/ low production numbers to run in Stock.
On top of that ,is the fact that bogus, low hp ratings have been submitted by the manufacturers for atleast 45 years.

But...anybody expecting NHRA to do anything about this, is dreaming.
They still haven't produced a ruling on Captain Jack's 3 speed automatic. What has it been ...8 months?

What you want to do, is call or write and ask that the AHFS be implemented 4 times a year.
It can't be that hard. They could just pay Nitro Joe to do it.
Calvert already put a strike on that combo. Soon as they run class run-offs,there'll be more.

Also, don't forget, Ford is an NHRA sponsor. It's called Pay to Play

[Tim Kish]

Originally Posted by clutch man

137 137 137 137 137??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????? do the math, how much HP does that take to make.....? 131.0 60'

In a smaller, more aerodynmic car it's less HP than it takes to go 138mph in a similarly factored Fairlane (Both are 425HP rated) - the new class record..

Chad - I'll look into it with NHRA. But while I do that go read up on the 2007-current GT500 Mustang - Street version of the 5.4L supercharged engine.
10,844 built in 2007
8,583 built in 2008
This same powertrain is planned I believe through 2011

The Ford produced supercharged 4.6L (03-04 Cobra Mustang) was only rated at 390HP.

[junior barns]

A few years ago I remember reading a post about aero (drag coeficiant) on cars posted by Matt Morgan
This was back when Top Stock just started in IHRA. It showed the diff in #'s between 68,69 Camaro, corvettes, and the (at the time) new firebirds. Astonishingly the numbers were almost identical! If I remember correctly it was his estimate that unless the car reached 150mph you would not see any benefit in the body.

My point is

If this is true I'm sure the Mustang probably is'nt any better in a wind tunnel than the newer firebirds which would take the aerodynmics out of the equation.

[Sean Kennedy]

NOT ONE ford guy will be straight up and honest.

The fact remains this car is not just softly rated but has a flat out bogus and unrealistic number.

I'm waiting for one ford guy to be honest in this situation.

Tim,

From everyone i spoke with, NHRA has no plans to check pulleys or measure boost in any way. I would LOVE to be proven wrong, because I would like to see them do it.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Chad -- I get it perfectly -- you said there are "tons" of LS guys using "Fly by Wire" -- not true -- there are no Stockers.........Period ! ! Don't use me for an example if I'm not one . There are other places to talk about brackets.........this one is Stock/SuperStock .

Al Corda's Vette should be "drive by wire", that came that way at least. The only LS1 "drive by wire" cars are Corvettes. LS2s & LS3s are all drive by wire.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

NOT ONE ford guy will be straight up and honest.

The fact remains this car is not just softly rated but has a flat out bogus and unrealistic number.

I'm waiting for one ford guy to be honest in this situation.

Tim,

From everyone i spoke with, NHRA has no plans to check pulleys or measure boost in any way. I would LOVE to be proven wrong, because I would like to see them do it.

Sean, I AM a Ford guy at the present time and I said this:

"On top of that ,is the fact that bogus, low hp ratings have been submitted by the manufacturers for atleast 45 years"

I just disagree with some as to what should be done about it.

I think the factory involvement in Stock Eliminator, is good for our sport.

[junior barns]

Mark, I would have to agree with you as a whole but I can't think of any engine that has been this far off!! CAN YOU?


It's hard to believe that Ford would go to this extreme when it did'nt need to!! Oh well it is what it is