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[X-TECH MAN]

THE CURE......Outlaw all supercharged and turbo charged engine combos OR have a seperate class/classes for them. Then its a dial in (Bracket racing). Problem cured !!!

[big blue galaxie]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

THE CURE......Outlaw all supercharged and turbo charged engine combos OR have a seperate class/classes for them. Then its a dial in (Bracket racing). Problem cured !!!

I'll go with the seperate class, it's the only thing that makes sense. I don't understand why Ford was allowed to do this anyway, seeing that they are about to introduce a larger N/A modular motor. A proper Cobra Jet would have been to build on the new engine platform a 428ci engine with all the good stuff and been done with it.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

THE CURE......Outlaw all supercharged and turbo charged engine combos OR have a seperate class/classes for them. Then its a dial in (Bracket racing). Problem cured !!!

Oh great!
Stick me with the 142 mph CJ's huh?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Oh great!
Stick me with the 142 mph CJ's huh?

No not really. The new CJ's would be in AA blown fast class and yours could be in ZZ turbo slow class !

[Jeff Lee]

The only cure in my opinion is to follow OEM technical guidelines for boost pressure and NHRA follows it with mandatory pop-off valves calibrated and sealed by NHRA tech. If the OEM can't or won't provide the boost pressures, then they don't race. Turbo or SC engines should not be placed in a separate class as these are in fact what Detroit produces for todays market. But I also know that there is a range of acceptable boost pressures designed into these engines so they can be built to survive through warranty.
I know when I raced my '87 Shelby Z Daytona in A/FS there was an OEM boost standard for standard turbo-charged 2.2L Daytona's and another boost standard for the hi-po Shelby engine.
SCCA went to the SCCA provided calibrated & sealed pop-off valves back the early 90's when the Chrysler Turbo FWD cars began dominating the circuit. Once the boost levels were kept in bay, the dominance ceased.

[Mark Yacavone]

NHRA tech used to measure the pulley sizes on the 57 Fords and the Studebakers.
Why can't they do that now? Does the size keep changing every week, everytime they get a new Shelby letter?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

The only cure in my opinion is to follow OEM technical guidelines for boost pressure and NHRA follows it with mandatory pop-off valves calibrated and sealed by NHRA tech. If the OEM can't or won't provide the boost pressures, then they don't race. Turbo or SC engines should not be placed in a separate class as these are in fact what Detroit produces for todays market. But I also know that there is a range of acceptable boost pressures designed into these engines so they can be built to survive through warranty.
I know when I raced my '87 Shelby Z Daytona in A/FS there was an OEM boost standard for standard turbo-charged 2.2L Daytona's and another boost standard for the hi-po Shelby engine.
SCCA went to the SCCA provided calibrated & sealed pop-off valves back the early 90's when the Chrysler Turbo FWD cars began dominating the circuit. Once the boost levels were kept in bay, the dominance ceased.

I dont think any of this boost pressure inspection will ever happen. # 1 the tech crew has been short changed 10 % of thier nothing pay for what they do now. # 2 here in Div 1 I think they have been told to cut out 3 employees from the crew at each race (not sure about the other divisions), Tech will be almost non existant it seems. Its not even a little bit fair to run cars like these supercharge CJ's heads up with the older muscle cars (FI or Carburated) in the same class. They make thier own atmosphere (cylinder pressure) for the intake charge. They may be what detroit produces today but they will put ALL of the rest of you out of business if they continue to run in the same class. $50,000 + stockers and S/S'ers will become worthles expensive bracket cars when someone decides to run one in S/S also. 2 different technolgies involved here.

[goinbroke2]

Yup, this really got derailed.......

The question is not about cj's, the question is about ALL THE REST THAT IS COMING!!!
You think GM or mopar won't have more turbo or supercharged cars soon? You think 2hp per cube from the factory with a smooth idle is never going to happen? How about 100hp per litre (355hp 3.5L ford)??
You can't stick your head in the ground, they are coming. Get off the cj rant, there are lots of threads already.
It looks the way forward is small cubes and boost. What will happen in a few years if electric cars take off? Charge between rounds then run 10 flat? Will there be a hundred threads on the "electric cj" or will people work together to include factory offerings?

So, what do you do about the NEW cars coming, seperate turbo/super class? That's one logical response. Except it adds classes.
What else? Leave them in regular classes but check pully's or max boost? Good, but will everybody be satisfied tech is good enough.
Anything else we could do?

[X-TECH MAN]

[QUOTE=goinbroke2;

So, what do you do about the NEW cars coming, seperate turbo/super class? That's one logical response. Except it adds classes.


It might add a few classes by seperating the turbo and supercharged cars from the NA cars but your going to loose a lot more classes by 2010 with the combining of stick and automatics, and the inclusion of the FWD cars with the RWD cars in thier coresponding wt class. They have already combined the trucks with the cars and the FI cars with the Carburated cars. So I dont see the problem of more classes. It will be LESS classes when all is said and done.

[Just Observing]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I dont think any of this boost pressure inspection will ever happen. # 1 the tech crew has been short changed 10 % of thier nothing pay for what they do now. # 2 here in Div 1 I think they have been told to cut out 3 employees from the crew at each race (not sure about the other divisions), Tech will be almost non existant it seems. Its not even a little bit fair to run cars like these supercharge CJ's heads up with the older muscle cars (FI or Carburated) in the same class. They make thier own atmosphere (cylinder pressure) for the intake charge. They may be what detroit produces today but they will put ALL of the rest of you out of business if they continue to run in the same class. $50,000 + stockers and S/S'ers will become worthles expensive bracket cars when someone decides to run one in S/S also. 2 different technolgies involved here.

All very true! Boost vs NA is a no contest! Hopefully NHRA realizes that the CJ's are severly underated and changes hp rating to 500hp. Just like they did with Butner's boosted comp car a couple of years ago. I think they lowered his index .5 tenths or so after they underestimated it the first time.

A min. wt of 3920 lbs in AA/s(a) should slow those CJ's down enough.