Mustang MPH?

[bigshow2966]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Big Show,

I do remember the swift change you made to the so called NASCAR Hemi. Mopar wanted it in at 410 and you changed it to 430..right? Not sure if you had any arrangements with Mopar at that time or what information you recieved from them. Have you asked for any realistic performance data from Ford Racing Parts? Like dyno sheets? You have made a complete laughing stock out of the ahfs so don't expect any of us to have any faith in that old sham. What ya gonna do when these cars are turned loose? That is if you are still in business when they decide to do it.

Bruce, I think you have me confused with someone else. I have never changed the factor on any combination, but I have friends who have gotten their own changed.

The NASCAR Hemi is as bogus of a combination as you can get anyway. It was a "stroke-of-the-pen" answer to Hawk's "I remember when..." Shelby IIRC.

All I'm saying is that if the Ford being soft bothers you so much take some facts into the fight and change it.

Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are.

That's the beauty of class racing and wanting to be the king of the hill. There's always someone with a bigger stick or fatter wallet waiting to knock you off.

[Floyd Staggs]

Did anybody notice none of the mustangs are at the division race in Phoenix this weekend?
Maybe they've gone into hibernation till Indy.

[7423]

Originally Posted by Floyd Staggs

Did anybody notice none of the mustangs are at the division race in Phoenix this weekend?
Maybe they've gone into hibernation till Indy.

Heard that 3 of those Ponies have been sold off. The one that Calvert drove is back home in Oklahoma.
But you know how rumors fly in the stocker pits......................

[bill dedman]

Big Show said, "Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are."

Well, the fundamental difference is, the Mustangs are only "fast" (in their class) because NHRA "bought" Ford's suggested HP rating (which was straight out of "Alice in Wonderland,") lock, stock, and barrell. Most of the guys running really competitive A/S and A/SA cars (as well as AA/A) got there, not by the stroke of a pen, but by years of R & D (and, a lot of money) with a commbination that may or may not be "soft." at this time.

I think that's a significant difference.

The much-maligned NASCAR Hemi, it is reported, had HP added to its factor before one single run was made with that combination. NHRA apparently realized that they had made an error in assessing that engine's potential, and tried to correct it before any damage was done. I'm not criticizing NHRA for that, nor condoning it, but it was small potatoes compared to the glaring error that exists with regard to the HP debacle that exists with these 2008 CJ's... but NHRA tech was apparently paralyzed.

No action was taken, so what we have is an AHFS nightmare that will probably take a long time to straighten out. Years...

It didn't have to be that way.

But, all that aside, I too, am really glad these cars exist. I am all for new "blood" in the mix, and I hope the Dodges show up pretty soon. I just wish the factor on these 'Stangs was a little more based in reality.

[Jeff Teuton]

The 65 65 stock hemi single carb would be ok @ 430 if the manifold it came with was used instead of one required that wasn't made until 20 years later. And the 3 barrel that was used on them was allowed instead of the 850 double pumper. But then this is the same group that nixed all the things that the SRAC proposed for Stock and Super Stock.

[Jim Wahl]

Amen brother Jeff! Preach on my friend! Jim

[FED 387]

Just got my copy of Road & track magazine(april 09)--page 41 said that the 2010 mustang shelby will be a 540 HP engine up a "little" from the 09---not sure how this enters into this argument--but there are some numbers that are interesting---they talk about KR and GT500 engines and Im not a Ford guy so maybe--somebody can explain it---Comp 387

[Superfan1]

Originally Posted by FED 387

Just got my copy of Road & track magazine(april 09)--page 41 said that the 2010 mustang shelby will be a 540 HP engine up a "little" from the 09---not sure how this enters into this argument--but there are some numbers that are interesting---they talk about KR and GT500 engines and Im not a Ford guy so maybe--somebody can explain it---Comp 387

I believe that the Shelby GT500KR engine was available beginning in 2008; it was based on the Shelby GT500 engine but it was tweaked to produce 540 HP, compared to 500 HP for the ShelbyGT500. The 2010 Shelby GT500 engine is basically the same engine as the KR.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1

[bsa633]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are.
That's the beauty of class racing and wanting to be the king of the hill. There's always someone with a bigger stick or fatter wallet waiting to knock you off.

I hope that not will be the norm but the fattest wallet will always have some to do with all this..but this time around i think it's more that all those years of R/D that alot of these guys spent along with the money isn't worth anything when they are blown away by cars that hasn't really been worked on yet..i think this could be more of a nail in the coffin for stock as we used to know it rather than making use of any "good exposure" that some are talking about.. when you think about it...if this gets to be a norm ..that the factorys can make special runs with soft ratings to beat up 40-50 year old cars..with everything else happening with the economy and also NHRA..i actually think more racers would quit than whats coming in... Sportsman racing ..nah!

[treessavoy]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Bruce, I think you have me confused with someone else. I have never changed the factor on any combination, but I have friends who have gotten their own changed.

The NASCAR Hemi is as bogus of a combination as you can get anyway. It was a "stroke-of-the-pen" answer to Hawk's "I remember when..." Shelby IIRC.

All I'm saying is that if the Ford being soft bothers you so much take some facts into the fight and change it.

Mr. Dedman's plea that someone who has spent $60+K on a car that will now get killed by the Mustang heads-up is pretty short sighted too. The Mustang guys spent at least $70K to get where they are.

That's the beauty of class racing and wanting to be the king of the hill. There's always someone with a bigger stick or fatter wallet waiting to knock you off.

As a long time Max Wedge racer now in Nostalgia SS I have many friends that have put as much as $100,000.00 in their MW's and, on a Manufacturer's whim ,are now obsolete. The NHRA should protect those racers until the new cars are realistic factored.

Jim Rountree