Bob Shaw is a bad man

X-TECH MAN · 03-22-2009, 09:15 AM

This is another example of how F##KED up the AHFS system is and how slow it is to respond to someone who scanns the class guide to find a slug combo that the average stock racer wouldnt race if it was the last car in the world. There are more such combos in the guide and its really not a sign of a good racer. Just someone who uses the system. A system that needs to be changed.

Bench Racer · 03-22-2009, 09:44 AM

Was this the red Cad he had at Indy?

Mike Carr · 03-22-2009, 09:50 AM

Gee Terry, thanks for ripping on some of the people that many DO consider to be not only "good racers", but great ones. I had a lot more to write, but I'll let it go.

Billy Nees · 03-22-2009, 10:10 AM

Terry, there's nothing all that wrong with the AHFS. Its the unqualified personel assigning the horsepower numbers to those "Slug Combos" that are "F##ed Up"! There's nothing wrong with using the guide to you're own benefit! At least the car is in the guide in black and white and really does exist as a combo! It seems to me that Bob is reading the black print on the white pages of the rule book and the classification guide the way that it was meant to be used! Terry, show me any gray areas here!

X-TECH MAN · 03-22-2009, 11:14 AM

I knew you guys would take it wrong......Im just pointing out the inequties of the current system. The combo should have been refactored a long time ago. No one cares at NHRA anymore. As far as Mr. Shaw is concerend he has found these combos for years and it dosent make you a better racer, car builder, engine builder, driver, or what ever to look thru the guide to pick a combo that should be running 3 or 4 classes higher than it currently is running. Its not his fault....hes just playing the game as it currently exists and it proves NOTHING except the combo needs HP and a lot of it..

Bob Pagano · 03-22-2009, 11:29 AM

Come on Terry, This is nothing new, Ralph Truppi made a living back in the day by picking combos out of the guide book. When you went to him out came the book and you would know up front if the combo would cut it. Just make sense to look before you leap !

Mark Yacavone · 03-22-2009, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

I knew you guys would take it wrong......Im just pointing out the inequties of the current system. The combo should have been refactored a long time ago. No one cares at NHRA anymore. As far as Mr. Shaw is concerend he has found these combos for years and it dosent make you a better racer, car builder, engine builder, driver, or what ever to look thru the guide to pick a combo that should be running 3 or 4 classes higher than it currently is running. Its not his fault....hes just playing the game as it currently exists and it proves NOTHING except the combo needs HP and a lot of it..

I think what it proves is there are ways to compete in NHRA, without a big fat wallet. Bob's car might just be the most legal Stocker at Belle Rose.
I think it also proves that you still have to know how to bracket race to win anything meaningful.
There is a system in place to deal with runaway combos. Bob ran up against it this weekend.

Ed Fernandez · 03-22-2009, 01:54 PM

I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff
Teuton and any other FFF of his choice.
Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to
hide it.
Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure".

Ed

Ed Fernandez · 03-22-2009, 02:10 PM

I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff
Teuton and any other FFF of his choice.
Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to
hide it.
Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure".

Ed

Paul Sarvas · 03-22-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

someone who scanns the class guide to find a slug combo that the average stock racer wouldnt race if it was the last car in the world. There are more such combos in the guide and its really not a sign of a good racer. Just someone who uses the system.

Interesting post from a X-TECH MAN. If you consider Mr. Shaw's stocker a slug, when is class car not a slug? When a stocker runs 9 seconds? 10 seconds? 11 seconds? What is the average racer? What is the sign of a good racer from a X-TECH MAN's point of view?

Just wondering.

pS

03-22-2009, 09:15 AM	#1
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man This is another example of how F##KED up the AHFS system is and how slow it is to respond to someone who scanns the class guide to find a slug combo that the average stock racer wouldnt race if it was the last car in the world. There are more such combos in the guide and its really not a sign of a good racer. Just someone who uses the system. A system that needs to be changed.

03-22-2009, 09:44 AM	#2
Bench Racer Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Green Creek (Tryon) North Carolina Posts: 331 Likes: 69 Liked 99 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man Was this the red Cad he had at Indy?

03-22-2009, 09:50 AM	#3
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 83 Times in 37 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man Gee Terry, thanks for ripping on some of the people that many DO consider to be not only "good racers", but great ones. I had a lot more to write, but I'll let it go. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

03-22-2009, 10:10 AM	#4
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,499 Likes: 3,601 Liked 7,783 Times in 1,743 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man Terry, there's nothing all that wrong with the AHFS. Its the unqualified personel assigning the horsepower numbers to those "Slug Combos" that are "F##ed Up"! There's nothing wrong with using the guide to you're own benefit! At least the car is in the guide in black and white and really does exist as a combo! It seems to me that Bob is reading the black print on the white pages of the rule book and the classification guide the way that it was meant to be used! Terry, show me any gray areas here! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

03-22-2009, 11:14 AM	#5
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man I knew you guys would take it wrong......Im just pointing out the inequties of the current system. The combo should have been refactored a long time ago. No one cares at NHRA anymore. As far as Mr. Shaw is concerend he has found these combos for years and it dosent make you a better racer, car builder, engine builder, driver, or what ever to look thru the guide to pick a combo that should be running 3 or 4 classes higher than it currently is running. Its not his fault....hes just playing the game as it currently exists and it proves NOTHING except the combo needs HP and a lot of it.. Last edited by X-TECH MAN; 03-22-2009 at 11:17 AM.

03-22-2009, 11:29 AM	#6
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 241 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man Come on Terry, This is nothing new, Ralph Truppi made a living back in the day by picking combos out of the guide book. When you went to him out came the book and you would know up front if the combo would cut it. Just make sense to look before you leap ! __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

03-22-2009, 01:54 PM	#8
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff Teuton and any other FFF of his choice. Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to hide it. Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure". Ed __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-22-2009, 02:10 PM	#9
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Bob Shaw is a bad man I think Bob should be made to run with the A/C on.And maybe run with Dave Ley,Russ Warnes,Jeff Teuton and any other FFF of his choice. Since the CIC race isn't included in the data base the factor will not change,as long as Bob wants to hide it. Congratulations on your "Excellent Adventure". Ed __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA