Overweight Stockers - Page 4

Charley Downing · 03-30-2009, 08:26 PM

At the end of the day its up to danny and that where I got my info on this topic. Danny trumps all div tech people end of story.

Denny Steward · 03-30-2009, 08:27 PM

Jack
maybe I did not word it right, but Billy is RIGHT what I was trying to say is you must fit the class weight
ie. 8.00 to 8.49 and so on.

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2009, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Downing3548

At the Orlando pts the div 2 tech director ( Jim C) told racers that they must weight no more then the minimum for the next class up. Example if in you were running D/SA you could not weight more then the Minimum for E/SA with your combo. At the Gatornationls I went over the scales more then 150 pounds heavy and the div 2 tech director Jim C told me I would need to take 30 pounds out to make my car legal. After that run I went and talked to two of the national tech directors. They then told me that there was no such rule and I could run as heavy as I wanted to and not to worry about it.

Maybe it's time for Danny to collect his pension, although the next national tech director might not be any better maybe it's worth a shot.This topic and a few other current issues may well be the beginning of the end for us unless someone in charge has the balls to tackle what ails us.
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STK4340 · 03-30-2009, 09:32 PM

I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air?

Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents...

Ryan Becnel

Brandon Peterson · 03-30-2009, 09:42 PM

"Are you serious? You're a big boy (tall wise) but you don't look that BIG. You carry it well!! "

yup...it used to be solid muscle back in my ole football days...lol...but yeah i do

Denny Steward · 03-30-2009, 10:10 PM

the reason I was told for your car having to fit the class you are in, is say there are 7 c/sa, 5 b/sa and o a/sa and the slowest of the c/sa cars now enters a/sa to avoid a heads up race that might happen in elims. without changing anything but the letter on the window. People that work on there cars and are fast should understand that this is the only way class racing should be if we dont start some where it will only be a matter of time before there is no heads up or quaifing and it will be just an all run bracket race

SS Engine Guy · 03-30-2009, 10:39 PM

I agree as to the way the rule book reads. ie: between 8.00 - 8.500 as an example. However, that is not the way it has worked for years in S/SS. Last year I made a qualifying run behind the eventual #1 qualifier and heard the scale tech tell him he was 900lbs. heavy. At the end of qualifying he was 1.37 under. National tech and div. tech told me that was perfectly legal. Illegal would be below the minimum weigh on his sticker. I brought up what some are talking about the weight breaks in the rule book (which I agree with) and they laughed in my face. No grey areas..................you guys are right. The only thing black and white is the paper and the print.

Ed Fernandez · 03-30-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by STK4340

I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air?

Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents...

Ryan Becnel

True,running a car heavy will not make it fast,but it will hide a car that is terrible under factored,which is what's causing all the commotion.A tenth or two wont affect the really fast cars,only borderline qualifiers and class winners near the .50 under zone.

Phillip marvetz · 03-31-2009, 12:32 AM

So then what happens to cars like the portly cadillac? let it run heavy or make it extinct? If we outlaw it we are just doing what so many of you are saying NHRA is trying to do, get rid of the old iron...........

Chuck Porter · 03-31-2009, 12:55 AM

Ya - I can see it all now. The next thing we know NHRA will tie the AHFS system to weight. If you cross the scales and are 200 pounds heavy the slug gods will give you 5 horsepower.
Chuck

03-30-2009, 08:26 PM	#31
Charley Downing Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 761 Likes: 16 Liked 633 Times in 88 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers At the end of the day its up to danny and that where I got my info on this topic. Danny trumps all div tech people end of story.

03-30-2009, 08:27 PM	#32
Denny Steward Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PORT ORANGE FL Posts: 283 Likes: 414 Liked 131 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Jack maybe I did not word it right, but Billy is RIGHT what I was trying to say is you must fit the class weight ie. 8.00 to 8.49 and so on.

03-30-2009, 09:32 PM	#34
STK4340 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vacherie, LA Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers I don't really see a problem with someone carrying extra weight. I could really care less if someone is running their car a few hundred pounds heavier than their minimum; just as long as they are not under weight. Running the car heavy certainly will not make it faster. Why not run the car heavy in really good air so as to help not to hurt the combo for everyone else who doesn't have the luxury of racing in good air? Instead of petitioning NHRA to keep tabs on "over-weighters", why not ask to lower the indexes a tenth or two? Wouldn't that be the most simple thing to do for us and NHRA? Just my two cents... Ryan Becnel Last edited by STK4340; 03-30-2009 at 09:50 PM.

03-30-2009, 09:42 PM	#35
Brandon Peterson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 436 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers "Are you serious? You're a big boy (tall wise) but you don't look that BIG. You carry it well!! " yup...it used to be solid muscle back in my ole football days...lol...but yeah i do

03-30-2009, 10:10 PM	#36
Denny Steward Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: PORT ORANGE FL Posts: 283 Likes: 414 Liked 131 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers the reason I was told for your car having to fit the class you are in, is say there are 7 c/sa, 5 b/sa and o a/sa and the slowest of the c/sa cars now enters a/sa to avoid a heads up race that might happen in elims. without changing anything but the letter on the window. People that work on there cars and are fast should understand that this is the only way class racing should be if we dont start some where it will only be a matter of time before there is no heads up or quaifing and it will be just an all run bracket race

03-30-2009, 10:39 PM	#37
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Overweight Stockers I agree as to the way the rule book reads. ie: between 8.00 - 8.500 as an example. However, that is not the way it has worked for years in S/SS. Last year I made a qualifying run behind the eventual #1 qualifier and heard the scale tech tell him he was 900lbs. heavy. At the end of qualifying he was 1.37 under. National tech and div. tech told me that was perfectly legal. Illegal would be below the minimum weigh on his sticker. I brought up what some are talking about the weight breaks in the rule book (which I agree with) and they laughed in my face. No grey areas..................you guys are right. The only thing black and white is the paper and the print.

03-31-2009, 12:32 AM	#39
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers So then what happens to cars like the portly cadillac? let it run heavy or make it extinct? If we outlaw it we are just doing what so many of you are saying NHRA is trying to do, get rid of the old iron...........

03-31-2009, 12:55 AM	#40
Chuck Porter Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 104 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Ya - I can see it all now. The next thing we know NHRA will tie the AHFS system to weight. If you cross the scales and are 200 pounds heavy the slug gods will give you 5 horsepower. Chuck