Overweight Stockers

magnumv8 · 03-31-2009, 06:30 PM

I read that Danny and agree totally...but it should include that 170lbs and not even mention it.....that is where I was having a problem...when you look at the stocker specs on the spreadsheet now there is a dark grey area(color on my computer) to the right and if you scroll over on it, it tells you the actual weight of your combo now....it didn't used to be there and is easy to miss...BUT it still doesn't add the 170lbs.......

Bob Bender · 03-31-2009, 06:53 PM

BILLY, are you talking about my car ???? (overweight)

Jack Matyas · 03-31-2009, 07:07 PM

Billy -Billy -Billy -- I'm really glad for you that its Spring .Why you say -- well maybe you can go plant some crops or something as this stuff is making you nuts (you've always been close) .After sixty some posts and half a zillion views it boils down to this -- who cares if some guys (or gals) want to run heavy ? Who does it hurt ? Why does it matter ? See you this weekend ........I'll be the one with big arms (from lifting weights) .

PS-- You can try like Hell but they'll never ever let you rewrite the rulebook . Been there - done that !

Chuck Porter · 03-31-2009, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Billy -Billy -Billy -- I'm really glad for you that its Spring .Why you say -- well maybe you can go plant some crops or something as this stuff is making you nuts (you've always been close) .After sixty some posts and half a zillion views it boils down to this -- who cares if some guys (or gals) want to run heavy ? Who does it hurt ? Why does it matter ? See you this weekend ........I'll be the one with big arms (from lifting weights) .

PS-- You can try like Hell but they'll never ever let you rewrite the rulebook . Been there - done that !

Hey Jack
You got my vote!!! You just went to the top of my Christmas Card list!!! LOL

Chuck Porter

442OLDS · 03-31-2009, 09:23 PM

The name of this post should really be "OVERWEIGHT DRIVERS",or "UNDERWEIGHT CARS."

I will use my car ,for example,since I know it best.My factored horsepower is 360.To run D/SA,the weight break is 9.5-9.99.My CAR needs to weigh between 3,420 pounds and 3,596 pounds.My CAR does weigh between this range.However,when I get in it,it does not meet the "MAX WEIGHT"

Now what if the car weighed 3340 pounds?
The car would be right on the minimum weight for D/SA with a 250 pound driver.However,the car would technically be "too light" for the class according to some of the logic in this thread.Maybe they need to start weighing the car/driver separate? LOL!

Ed Fernandez · 03-31-2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

The name of this post should really be "OVERWEIGHT DRIVERS",or "UNDERWEIGHT CARS."

I will use my car ,for example,since I know it best.My factored horsepower is 360.To run D/SA,the weight break is 9.5-9.99.My CAR needs to weigh between 3,420 pounds and 3,596 pounds.My CAR does weigh between this range.However,when I get in it,it does not meet the "MAX WEIGHT"

Now what if the car weighed 3340 pounds?
The car would be right on the minimum weight for D/SA with a 250 pound driver.However,the car would technically be "too light" for the class according to some of the logic in this thread.Maybe they need to start weighing the car/driver separate? LOL!

Maybe NHRA should up the weight for the driver,but how high do you go?200/225/250/300/400.I'm
serious,where do you adjust it to?I'm of the opinion that enough adjustment(removing odds and ends from the car) can accomodate most drivers.
There is no way to remove more weight from your 442?Spare tire,weight box etc?

Ed F.

Blingmaster · 03-31-2009, 10:48 PM

Oldtimers: Do you rember when the classification guide meant something? If your car showed in guide that it broke 14.23 in a 14-14,99 class that is what you had to weigh...no additional weigh for driver no adjusting up or down a class.. Why do you think so many people drove 4 doors or wagons or biscaynes or impalas because they were better class break cars. They should let the classification guide be the guide...If a V8 car breaks 22, lbs let it run V if it is akiller combo ahfs will catch it eventually. I rember selling a perfect 68 camaro convertible for a 70 camaro coupe because it made class better by 100 lbs.Back then there was a commitement to a combo..Not well if this doesn't go fast enough i will just add the weight and drop a class.I trully believe that people like Bob Shaw and Billy and Neil Smedley that came through that era have mastered the research needed to develop competative combo's. Just think how easy it would be at the scales no longer searching for loose ballast...worrying if you are overweight..Racers would have to back to vehicle prep...Who really says a real racer weighs 170 lbs. anyway. So as I started saying 14.23 times 250 hp means car and driver 3557minumum maximum doesn't matter cause the car can only make the 14 lb class. How many have I confused here is quite simple isn't it. DD

scott helms · 03-31-2009, 11:27 PM

I understand post but will agree with part you can't be 900lbs heavy and run class but I'M OVER 170 (only by 2lbs.) and can't get to P/SA without gutting my car. I ALREADY KNOW I'M PHAT!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S UP mad hawian!!!!

Jeff Lee · 03-31-2009, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

The name of this post should really be "OVERWEIGHT DRIVERS",or "UNDERWEIGHT CARS."

I will use my car ,for example,since I know it best.My factored horsepower is 360.To run D/SA,the weight break is 9.5-9.99.My CAR needs to weigh between 3,420 pounds and 3,596 pounds.My CAR does weigh between this range.However,when I get in it,it does not meet the "MAX WEIGHT"

Now what if the car weighed 3340 pounds?
The car would be right on the minimum weight for D/SA with a 250 pound driver.However,the car would technically be "too light" for the class according to some of the logic in this thread.Maybe they need to start weighing the car/driver separate? LOL!

I'm confused. You do know weight calculations do include 170#'s for the driver, right? 360HP x 9.5 + 170 = 3590 minimum race weight or 360HP x 9.99 + 170 = 3766 (maximum may or may not be enforced; subject of discussion). What the driver weighs is of little relevance.

Blingmaster · 04-01-2009, 01:04 AM

Scott: If you are saying you are 172 lbs. you better put other foot on scale...DD

03-31-2009, 06:30 PM	#1
magnumv8 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Coraopolis, Pa. Posts: 172 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers I read that Danny and agree totally...but it should include that 170lbs and not even mention it.....that is where I was having a problem...when you look at the stocker specs on the spreadsheet now there is a dark grey area(color on my computer) to the right and if you scroll over on it, it tells you the actual weight of your combo now....it didn't used to be there and is easy to miss...BUT it still doesn't add the 170lbs.......

03-31-2009, 06:53 PM	#2
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,734 Likes: 1,599 Liked 460 Times in 91 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers BILLY, are you talking about my car ???? (overweight) __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

03-31-2009, 07:07 PM	#3
Jack Matyas Live Reporter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Bethlehem , PA -Christmas City , USA Posts: 4,932 Likes: 408 Liked 2,052 Times in 400 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Billy -Billy -Billy -- I'm really glad for you that its Spring .Why you say -- well maybe you can go plant some crops or something as this stuff is making you nuts (you've always been close) .After sixty some posts and half a zillion views it boils down to this -- who cares if some guys (or gals) want to run heavy ? Who does it hurt ? Why does it matter ? See you this weekend ........I'll be the one with big arms (from lifting weights) . PS-- You can try like Hell but they'll never ever let you rewrite the rulebook . Been there - done that ! __________________ Jack Matyas 1547 FS/C 2015 Camaro COPO # 62- 2012 Camaro Convertible COPO

03-31-2009, 09:23 PM	#5
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,340 Likes: 5 Liked 282 Times in 103 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers The name of this post should really be "OVERWEIGHT DRIVERS",or "UNDERWEIGHT CARS." I will use my car ,for example,since I know it best.My factored horsepower is 360.To run D/SA,the weight break is 9.5-9.99.My CAR needs to weigh between 3,420 pounds and 3,596 pounds.My CAR does weigh between this range.However,when I get in it,it does not meet the "MAX WEIGHT" Now what if the car weighed 3340 pounds? The car would be right on the minimum weight for D/SA with a 250 pound driver.However,the car would technically be "too light" for the class according to some of the logic in this thread.Maybe they need to start weighing the car/driver separate? LOL! Last edited by 442OLDS; 03-31-2009 at 09:27 PM. Reason: Spelling

03-31-2009, 10:48 PM	#7
Blingmaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: usa Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Oldtimers: Do you rember when the classification guide meant something? If your car showed in guide that it broke 14.23 in a 14-14,99 class that is what you had to weigh...no additional weigh for driver no adjusting up or down a class.. Why do you think so many people drove 4 doors or wagons or biscaynes or impalas because they were better class break cars. They should let the classification guide be the guide...If a V8 car breaks 22, lbs let it run V if it is akiller combo ahfs will catch it eventually. I rember selling a perfect 68 camaro convertible for a 70 camaro coupe because it made class better by 100 lbs.Back then there was a commitement to a combo..Not well if this doesn't go fast enough i will just add the weight and drop a class.I trully believe that people like Bob Shaw and Billy and Neil Smedley that came through that era have mastered the research needed to develop competative combo's. Just think how easy it would be at the scales no longer searching for loose ballast...worrying if you are overweight..Racers would have to back to vehicle prep...Who really says a real racer weighs 170 lbs. anyway. So as I started saying 14.23 times 250 hp means car and driver 3557minumum maximum doesn't matter cause the car can only make the 14 lb class. How many have I confused here is quite simple isn't it. DD

03-31-2009, 11:27 PM	#8
scott helms Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Pierre Part,la. Posts: 253 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers I understand post but will agree with part you can't be 900lbs heavy and run class but I'M OVER 170 (only by 2lbs.) and can't get to P/SA without gutting my car. I ALREADY KNOW I'M PHAT!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT'S UP mad hawian!!!!

04-01-2009, 01:04 AM	#10
Blingmaster Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: usa Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Overweight Stockers Scott: If you are saying you are 172 lbs. you better put other foot on scale...DD