SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta - Page 3

Smitty · 04-17-2009, 05:38 AM

Ok folks is the sky falling yet? How many of you think he is holding .4 to .5 tenths in the bag to beat Stephen in his dads 64 Fairlane today, btw which is running better than I have ever seen that car run. Stephen, what the heck did you guys do over the winter? Great run Stephen! Good first competitive pass for the Cobra also in S/S!

Tim Kish · 04-17-2009, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by StrokerDave

Dont forget they have to get around Stephen and Horace Johnson for class. No easy feat. What was the DQ about in 1st round of qualifing?

StrokerDave

DQ was for fuel - brand new can of VP.

Bruce Noland · 04-17-2009, 09:03 AM

Smitty,
a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted.

dwydendorf · 04-17-2009, 09:19 AM

I talked to George yesterday and he told me the DQ was from contaminated Fuel. I don't think there is any way they could run a fast as Steven Johnson.

dwydendorf · 04-17-2009, 10:03 AM

At least the Cobra Jet is running on the same weight break for Super Stock. Mark Beaver's A/SA 98 Camaro with an 8lb weight break went to a 12 lb weight break (SS/KA) just by switching to Super Stock. SS/KA has a softer index also. Sounds like the SS horsepower factor for the Camaro is more bogus than the Cobra Jets. I also would like to know Bruce, how you possibly know what gear is in the Mustang? Were you the one who installed it in the car?

Tand E racing · 04-17-2009, 10:14 AM

George, Question, do these 5.4's utilize fords VCT system on the supercharged version?

Jeff Lee · 04-17-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Smitty,
a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted.

There's a very simple formula I use and it has been proven correct time after time. 1320/MPH = optimum ET. Optimum ET should be "no problem" for a S/SS vehicle as it is a "no compromise" vehicle. The ones that are really good exceed the formula.
So...1320/146 = 9.04.

Michael Beard · 04-17-2009, 12:33 PM

The forumla may work for some combinations, but I think it should be for entertainment purposes only. The formula generates numbers as much as .20 slower than my actual E.T.'s Scary to think how fast it'd go if I knew what I was doing.

art leong · 04-17-2009, 12:40 PM

Doesn't work in my combo either. It's way off

Bruce Noland · 04-17-2009, 01:12 PM

Jeff,
Thanks for the info.

The calculators may be off on some combinations but they are usually very close on most.

Dwyndorf,
I know people who are very close to some of these cars. That may surprise you.

A little backup information from Moroso, 146 mph with 30" tires at 7,000 rpm equals 4.3 gears. Pretty darn close to what I have been told. 146 mph with 30" tires at 6,800 rpm equals 4.2 gears - still pretty close.
146 mph at 3,485 pounds (about the average weight) equals 830 horsepower. 3,485 pounds at 146 mph should equal 9.20's et. So it looks like these cars are still running high gears.

BTW the Ford guys told me they were running these gears as well. I can only tell you what they told me. I hope this helps.

04-17-2009, 05:38 AM	#21
Smitty Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Gibsonton, FL Posts: 267 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Ok folks is the sky falling yet? How many of you think he is holding .4 to .5 tenths in the bag to beat Stephen in his dads 64 Fairlane today, btw which is running better than I have ever seen that car run. Stephen, what the heck did you guys do over the winter? Great run Stephen! Good first competitive pass for the Cobra also in S/S!

04-17-2009, 09:03 AM	#23
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Smitty, a SS/E (Stocker) car tested last week. 9.65 @146mph with mid 4.4 gearing. I am amazed that you are still trying to blow smoke or really don't get what is going on here. The sky isn't falling, however the Ford charade is busted. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

04-17-2009, 09:19 AM	#24
dwydendorf Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 162 Likes: 251 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta I talked to George yesterday and he told me the DQ was from contaminated Fuel. I don't think there is any way they could run a fast as Steven Johnson. __________________ ss/gt 93 t-bird

04-17-2009, 10:03 AM	#25
dwydendorf Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 162 Likes: 251 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta At least the Cobra Jet is running on the same weight break for Super Stock. Mark Beaver's A/SA 98 Camaro with an 8lb weight break went to a 12 lb weight break (SS/KA) just by switching to Super Stock. SS/KA has a softer index also. Sounds like the SS horsepower factor for the Camaro is more bogus than the Cobra Jets. I also would like to know Bruce, how you possibly know what gear is in the Mustang? Were you the one who installed it in the car? __________________ ss/gt 93 t-bird Last edited by dwydendorf; 04-17-2009 at 10:19 AM.

04-17-2009, 10:14 AM	#26
Tand E racing Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 94 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta George, Question, do these 5.4's utilize fords VCT system on the supercharged version?

04-17-2009, 12:33 PM	#28
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta The forumla may work for some combinations, but I think it should be for entertainment purposes only. The formula generates numbers as much as .20 slower than my actual E.T.'s Scary to think how fast it'd go if I knew what I was doing. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

04-17-2009, 12:40 PM	#29
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Doesn't work in my combo either. It's way off __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

04-17-2009, 01:12 PM	#30
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: SS/E 2008 Mustang at Atlanta Jeff, Thanks for the info. The calculators may be off on some combinations but they are usually very close on most. Dwyndorf, I know people who are very close to some of these cars. That may surprise you. A little backup information from Moroso, 146 mph with 30" tires at 7,000 rpm equals 4.3 gears. Pretty darn close to what I have been told. 146 mph with 30" tires at 6,800 rpm equals 4.2 gears - still pretty close. 146 mph at 3,485 pounds (about the average weight) equals 830 horsepower. 3,485 pounds at 146 mph should equal 9.20's et. So it looks like these cars are still running high gears. BTW the Ford guys told me they were running these gears as well. I can only tell you what they told me. I hope this helps. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK