Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock

Real Racer · 04-18-2009, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bill dedman

At some point it looks like there was an aluminum intake somewhere, as it is now legal on the 235HP "Commando" motor (manifold newly legalized), because Angela Bushmaker's K/SA car has one on it, now, and it wouldn't be on there if it weren't legal. She has a '65 Valiant 235HP car.

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Who says that Edelbrock intake is legal for a 273-235 in stock?
Where is that information listed? Not in the blue prints or classification guides.
Maybe I can run a Rat Roaster on my Hemi now?

bill dedman · 04-18-2009, 10:59 PM

Bill Bushmaker owns the '65 Valiant that his daughter, Angela drives in K/SA (Div. VI) and the engine work is performed by Larry Hollums, in Kent, WA. I talked to Larry about this car a couple of weeks ago and he said that they had just finished putting a newly-approved aluminum intake manifold on the car.

Bill and Larry have been knee-deep in NHRA Stock Eliminator for over 30 years; they're not going to install a manifold that's going to get the car bounced.

I don't know why the information is not in the Blueprint specifications, but probably, NHRA laid-off the person who changes the info on that website in their last round of cost-cutting measures.

If you want to run a Rat Roaster, put the car in Super Stock and have at it...

Bill

Billy Nees · 04-19-2009, 07:25 AM

There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it".

X-TECH MAN · 04-19-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it".

Its in the "SECRET" guide used on the west coast.....lol

Billy Nees · 04-19-2009, 08:40 AM

Terry, obviously, why didn't I think of that.

bill dedman · 04-19-2009, 08:57 AM

I'll call NHRA Tech on Monday and try to find out why that (or, at least, SOME manifold) is not in the blueprint specs online. Hard to get them to start without something to bolt the carb to....

Dwight Southerland · 04-20-2009, 06:49 AM

There are LOTS of pre-1967 specs without manifold #s. Back when this data was gathered, everything was typed by hand and duplicated by hand, so anything that was not necessary was not published. Also, "back then", there were not many choices of production manifolds since most of these engines were only a few years into production and everybody "knew" that an aluminum aftermarket manifold was bogus. The very popular combinations have forced tech to get and publish data. It is only an issue in situations like this where shenanigans go on. Welcome to an era of relaxed values, leadership that has shelved integrity, and a kinder, gentler definition of truth. Oh, and we want people to be fast with no pain.

You know that those factory cast iron intake manifolds are soo-o-o-o- hard to find; much harder than an era correct LD4B.

04-18-2009, 10:59 PM	#2
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Bill Bushmaker owns the '65 Valiant that his daughter, Angela drives in K/SA (Div. VI) and the engine work is performed by Larry Hollums, in Kent, WA. I talked to Larry about this car a couple of weeks ago and he said that they had just finished putting a newly-approved aluminum intake manifold on the car. Bill and Larry have been knee-deep in NHRA Stock Eliminator for over 30 years; they're not going to install a manifold that's going to get the car bounced. I don't know why the information is not in the Blueprint specifications, but probably, NHRA laid-off the person who changes the info on that website in their last round of cost-cutting measures. If you want to run a Rat Roaster, put the car in Super Stock and have at it... Bill __________________ Bill

04-19-2009, 07:25 AM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,504 Likes: 3,606 Liked 7,814 Times in 1,748 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock There is no listing for ANY intake for the 273/235 in the engine specs. The next question is, how can anyone run the 273/235 combo without an intake? That must be one good trick. I have been told by a couple of different tech inspectors over the years "If it's not in the guide, then you can't run it". __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

04-19-2009, 08:40 AM	#5
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,504 Likes: 3,606 Liked 7,814 Times in 1,748 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock Terry, obviously, why didn't I think of that. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

04-19-2009, 08:57 AM	#6
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock I'll call NHRA Tech on Monday and try to find out why that (or, at least, SOME manifold) is not in the blueprint specs online. Hard to get them to start without something to bolt the carb to.... __________________ Bill

04-20-2009, 06:49 AM	#7
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 2,002 Likes: 64 Liked 783 Times in 195 Posts	Re: Whither 1966 D Darts for Stock There are LOTS of pre-1967 specs without manifold #s. Back when this data was gathered, everything was typed by hand and duplicated by hand, so anything that was not necessary was not published. Also, "back then", there were not many choices of production manifolds since most of these engines were only a few years into production and everybody "knew" that an aluminum aftermarket manifold was bogus. The very popular combinations have forced tech to get and publish data. It is only an issue in situations like this where shenanigans go on. Welcome to an era of relaxed values, leadership that has shelved integrity, and a kinder, gentler definition of truth. Oh, and we want people to be fast with no pain. You know that those factory cast iron intake manifolds are soo-o-o-o- hard to find; much harder than an era correct LD4B.