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Tony Janes · 05-27-2009, 10:01 AM

I agree with Ed and Jack on the red light situation. It has been that way since I have been racing on the tree and I can live with it.

Casey Miles · 05-27-2009, 10:33 AM

Our sport has evolved, they have now Cross Talk installed into the most tracks, so why not No Red until both leave. This way the playing field evens out alot more then you think. Why do you think that all the better bracket racers want the faster cars, so that the slower car makes the first mistake. It's always easier being the faster car, you can judge the finish line easier passing someone rather then being passed. If you take out the RED on the first car then it takes out some of the advantage of the faster car. As a bracket racer and Stock racer, I would welcome the NO RED.
Just my view on the subject. Another part of this is to take out reaction times in time runs, and in eliminations just put in the difference of the reaction times so that they can be figured out by the contestants.
Casey Miles
248H

bill dedman · 05-27-2009, 11:50 AM

Tony Janes said, "I can live with it."

Tony, everybody's been "living with it" (except the A cars, and now they have the same problem when running a AA car, finally), for 46 years...

But we no longer would have to "live with it" if they'd fix it, which they now can do at very little expense, and in a way that affects nobody's driving style in ANY WAY.

Like I said, I can't see any logical reason not to do it.

RE: " I can live with it." is very considerate of you, but what have you done to deserve second-class status in this matter? Nothing I can see would make "living with it" a fair treatment for you. You deserve the same treatment that the guy in the other lane gets, regardless of class or dial-in.

Right now, you don't always get it.

THAT's what I'd like to see fixed.

Bill

Harry 6674 · 05-27-2009, 01:38 PM

I think a rule change is in order, shouldn't be tough for NHRA@IHRA to implement it. How ever at bracket races I,ve had to give cars up to a 10 second spot. I'll bet alot of you have given more than that and when he leaves and you don't see your win light come on and you sit and wait it always screws with my rt. Usually red. I think my attention span is a little short.

bill dedman · 05-27-2009, 04:12 PM

Ed,

I asked you to explain your comment, " Bill,maybe I'm crazy but I see no reason to make things anymore complicated than they already are." but, I didn't see an explanation as to how this new system of operation would "complicate" anything.

What am I missing here? Nobody's even going to know it's in place unless somebody red lights, and then it's no more complicated than it's EVER been... somebody goes home.

Did I overlook something?

Bill

Mark Yacavone · 05-27-2009, 05:24 PM

Bill, This reminds me of the deep stage issue. People were dead set against it, when they didn't even fully understand the concept.
As I said, I can live without the change, but I don't understand why anybody would be against it.
That is of course , unless they had a self -centered reason, like owning a fast AA car.

Haven't heard from any of them. I think we lost them several pages back,with all this slow car talk.

bill dedman · 05-27-2009, 06:26 PM

Thanks for your opinion, Mark.

What I can't understand is the reluctance of the very people who are currently victimized nearly every time they come to the line (first car to leave) to embrace a system that would give them a fair shake for the first time in their lives.

Go figure....

Dennis P Chapman · 05-27-2009, 06:46 PM

Bill
I like your idea I have lost on a double red light. Two or three times I had the better
light two of the three times. I do driver a slower car.

Ed Fernandez · 05-27-2009, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Thanks for your opinion, Mark.

What I can't understand is the reluctance of the very people who are currently victimized nearly every time they come to the line (first car to leave) to embrace a system that would give them a fair shake for the first time in their lives.

Go figure....

Bill,nobody's being "vicimmized",just losing a round of racing.You make it sound like a life threatening condition.Jeez.

05-27-2009, 10:01 AM	#1
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: M.g. I agree with Ed and Jack on the red light situation. It has been that way since I have been racing on the tree and I can live with it. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

05-27-2009, 10:33 AM	#2
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: M.g. Our sport has evolved, they have now Cross Talk installed into the most tracks, so why not No Red until both leave. This way the playing field evens out alot more then you think. Why do you think that all the better bracket racers want the faster cars, so that the slower car makes the first mistake. It's always easier being the faster car, you can judge the finish line easier passing someone rather then being passed. If you take out the RED on the first car then it takes out some of the advantage of the faster car. As a bracket racer and Stock racer, I would welcome the NO RED. Just my view on the subject. Another part of this is to take out reaction times in time runs, and in eliminations just put in the difference of the reaction times so that they can be figured out by the contestants. Casey Miles 248H Last edited by Casey Miles; 05-27-2009 at 10:46 AM.

05-27-2009, 11:50 AM	#3
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: M.g. Tony Janes said, "I can live with it." Tony, everybody's been "living with it" (except the A cars, and now they have the same problem when running a AA car, finally), for 46 years... But we no longer would have to "live with it" if they'd fix it, which they now can do at very little expense, and in a way that affects nobody's driving style in ANY WAY. Like I said, I can't see any logical reason not to do it. RE: " I can live with it." is very considerate of you, but what have you done to deserve second-class status in this matter? Nothing I can see would make "living with it" a fair treatment for you. You deserve the same treatment that the guy in the other lane gets, regardless of class or dial-in. Right now, you don't always get it. THAT's what I'd like to see fixed. Bill __________________ Bill

05-27-2009, 01:38 PM	#4
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: M.g. I think a rule change is in order, shouldn't be tough for NHRA@IHRA to implement it. How ever at bracket races I,ve had to give cars up to a 10 second spot. I'll bet alot of you have given more than that and when he leaves and you don't see your win light come on and you sit and wait it always screws with my rt. Usually red. I think my attention span is a little short.

05-27-2009, 04:12 PM	#5
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: M.g. Ed, I asked you to explain your comment, " Bill,maybe I'm crazy but I see no reason to make things anymore complicated than they already are." but, I didn't see an explanation as to how this new system of operation would "complicate" anything. What am I missing here? Nobody's even going to know it's in place unless somebody red lights, and then it's no more complicated than it's EVER been... somebody goes home. Did I overlook something? Bill __________________ Bill

05-27-2009, 05:24 PM	#6
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,820 Likes: 2,910 Liked 5,127 Times in 1,955 Posts	Re: M.g. Bill, This reminds me of the deep stage issue. People were dead set against it, when they didn't even fully understand the concept. As I said, I can live without the change, but I don't understand why anybody would be against it. That is of course , unless they had a self -centered reason, like owning a fast AA car. Haven't heard from any of them. I think we lost them several pages back,with all this slow car talk. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

05-27-2009, 06:26 PM	#7
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: M.g. Thanks for your opinion, Mark. What I can't understand is the reluctance of the very people who are currently victimized nearly every time they come to the line (first car to leave) to embrace a system that would give them a fair shake for the first time in their lives. Go figure.... __________________ Bill

05-27-2009, 06:46 PM	#8
Dennis P Chapman VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toms River NJ Posts: 1,594 Likes: 419 Liked 53 Times in 25 Posts	Re: M.g. Bill I like your idea I have lost on a double red light. Two or three times I had the better light two of the three times. I do driver a slower car. __________________ Dennis P Chapman 1904 STK NHRA National Record Holder Car Owner.