Mustang Pro Stock?

According to Morgan's interview last night during Topeka qualifying they i.e. Ford and himself are going to do a "DRCE" type program to develop a new engine. He didn't mention anyone else being involved in the project but I'm sure the list of participants ought to be pretty good.

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[Superfan1]

Here is some background information. Brian Wolfe, the president of Ford Racing, and Mose Nowland, the chief engineer, have been working with the Jim Cunningham/Erica Enders Ford Pro Stock team since early this year. The objectives were twofold: to develop a new block and heads to make competitive Pro Stock horsepower, and to develop the 2010 Mustang body to be aerodynamically competitive in Pro Stock. The engine is the same 500 inch Ford wedge design that is currently in the Cunningham/Enders car; just with significant upgrades to the block and heads. The redesigned 2010 Mustang body was recently in the wind tunnel and, reportedly, the numbers were competitive with the GXP.
Evidently, Larry Morgan was sufficiently impressed to decide to switch to Ford for 2010. The uncertainty with Dodge and GM may also have affected his decision. Morgan will also work with Ford racing on this project, and Competitionplus.com had an interview with Bob Glidden who said that he had a 3 - 4 hour phone conversation with Brian Wolfe and Mose Nowland concerning the design of the new block and heads. Morgan hopes to have an engine ready for testing around Indy time.
Hope this clears up some misconceptions.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

[BlueOval Ralph]

The rules in Pro-Stock did read at one time Single Camshaft only not sure it is still there ! Which would not allow a OHC

Originally Posted by hemicop

P/S specifically prohibits forced induction, but with a genuine part number, it'd be hard to outlaw the OHC heads unless they add a clause requiring PUSHROD engines. Even so, I seriously doubt the 4.6 could compete with 500ci engines. My guess is they'll simply wuse a "small" IHRA P/S motor as many still run "Ford" in IHRA P/S.
Now taking this a step further, why couldn't they bore & stroke a 5.4 out to say 427 cubes, use the OHC heads, REALLY lighten the car & go P/S racing. There's NOTHING really "stock" about P/S anymore anyhow so why not engineer a car most of us would consider an F/X car anyway?

[BlueOval Ralph]

A lot of this is incorect!!!!!!!!!!

Brian Wolfe, the president of Ford Racing,
Real

Brian Wolfe
Director, North America Motorsports
Ford Motor Company

Mose Nowland, the chief engineer
Real
Mose Nowland is Motorsports Engineer

The engine is the same 500 inch Ford wedge design that is currently in the Cunningham/Enders car; just with significant upgrades to the block and heads

Real
There is a NEW engine design on the board!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Superfan1

Here is some background information. Brian Wolfe, the president of Ford Racing, and Mose Nowland, the chief engineer, have been working with the Jim Cunningham/Erica Enders Ford Pro Stock team since early this year. The objectives were twofold: to develop a new block and heads to make competitive Pro Stock horsepower, and to develop the 2010 Mustang body to be aerodynamically competitive in Pro Stock. The engine is the same 500 inch Ford wedge design that is currently in the Cunningham/Enders car; just with significant upgrades to the block and heads. The redesigned 2010 Mustang body was recently in the wind tunnel and, reportedly, the numbers were competitive with the GXP.
Evidently, Larry Morgan was sufficiently impressed to decide to switch to Ford for 2010. The uncertainty with Dodge and GM may also have affected his decision. Morgan will also work with Ford racing on this project, and Competitionplus.com had an interview with Bob Glidden who said that he had a 3 - 4 hour phone conversation with Brian Wolfe and Mose Nowland concerning the design of the new block and heads. Morgan hopes to have an engine ready for testing around Indy time.
Hope this clears up some misconceptions.
Bill Seabrooks - superfan1
Bridgeport, Ct.

[bigshow2966]

P/S is pushrod motors only. No OHC allowed.

[hemicop]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

P/S is pushrod motors only. No OHC allowed.

Okay, so they'll use an IHRA type P/S motor or do further R&D on Ford's new NASCAR engine, add a drag-race cam & a sheetmetal intake to it & there you have it! A high RPM, deep breathing, durable engine done at the expense of NASCAR with relativly little R&D required & a proven shortblock. I'm a Mopar fan but you really can't fault the game-plan.............

[JHeath]

I am not sure that is the game plan,Darin Morgan had a large part in designing the new head, which was funded privately,and will carry a Ford part number. Check the link below, not much of a Nascar connection.

http://speedtalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13028

[bigshow2966]

From what I've seen also Ford is not investing a whole lot in this deal. Seems to be more Cunningham's baby.

[hemicop]

Lookiing at the "Speedtalk" thread, it looks like some of what I predicted is coming true.. Nothing really new there except there are a few new players. Old heads (refined) IHRA technology, Ford part numbers. Doesn't sound like anything a a rich Ford fanatic couldn't pull off with a little politic-ing and some time in a machine shop.
I'm glad it's happening--it's about time "they" statr putting realistic pieces in cars instead of one-off stuff presented as "stock"
Oh, I know the parts are rare & extremely expensive, but at least they're not ntouchable

[RJ]

Originally Posted by hemicop

Okay, so they'll use an IHRA type P/S motor or do further R&D on Ford's new NASCAR engine, add a drag-race cam & a sheetmetal intake to it & there you have it! A high RPM, deep breathing, durable engine done at the expense of NASCAR with relativly little R&D required & a proven shortblock. I'm a Mopar fan but you really can't fault the game-plan.............

Wow, I'm scratching my head and laughing at the same time wondering if you are for real? if so, you need to quit while you're behind. Neither scenario, as you attempted to describe it, is happening. The IHRA head/valvetrain are way to big and bulky. The new Ford NASCAR engine has 4.500" bore spacing, how are you going to get a 4.700" bore piston in that one with "relativly little R&D required"?