The Keir Stocker is absolutely 1st rate craftsmanship - but is it legal?

[Steve Williams]

Yes it is Herb.

Steve

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Enough said, time to end this thread.

Yes, I would say it is time to end this thread, unless someone has some photos to to post,documenting some of this stuff.
Preserving what's left of Stock Eliminator IS something worth talking about.

[herbjr]

Its not our job to be Judge and Jury. If you dont like the car put your money where your opinions are, not on the keyboard. Pictures or not if you dont the car, become a tech man and then you can have an opinion that counts, otherwise its just an opinion.

Herb Jr

Tired of Keyboard racers talking crap about other peoples car.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by herbjr

its not our job to be judge and jury. If you dont like the car put your money where your opinions are, not on the keyboard. Pictures or not if you dont the car, become a tech man and then you can have an opinion that counts, otherwise its just an opinion.

Herb jr

tired of keyboard racers talking crap about other peoples car.

x2

[hadtobethere]

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[Mark Yacavone]

Maybe we're NOT done with this thread yet.

1, You don't have to be a racer to post in this section.

I don't know who Bob Stampfli is. He hasn't come forward yet. Maybe he is an NHRA member and long time Stock Eliminator fan.He plans on building one someday. He's got the rule book memorized.
He goes over to Maple Grove to look around . He sees cars that obviously don't follow the rulebook. He sees cars without the heater controls in the dash, (Not the Nova. I don't know, because I haven't seen it) He sees cars with the transmission tunnel removable, where the rulebook says "full stock floor required. He has to look twice to see if he's veered off into the Super Gas aisle. "Bob" hates to see Stock bastardized and turned into Bracket Two.
Who does HE get to protest?

2, I go to the Phoenix divisional, and I see the same guys working tech that are there each and every Saturday night, teching bracket cars. They're looking for safety items.They're not looking for heater controls. If you think ,because a car passes tech at a points meet, therefore it's 100 % legal ,you are dreaming.
I've spent many hours hacking away at the back of a heater control and gluing the knobs in place to save a few ounces in the middle of the car. Why? Because that's what's supposed to be there when you go through tech .It's clearly spelled out in the rulebook
Now it seems some don't want to go through all that trouble. Just weld up the holes and argue that it really doesn't matter because the car has to weigh so much anyway.

3, The kid driving the Keir Nova ,sure is a good driver.

4, That Nova has a great paint job on it.

5, #'s 3 and 4 have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

[bill dedman]

Thanks for that post, Mark; makes sense to me!

This is, after all, a "discussion board," There are no prescribed limits as to what can be discussed here that I know of, as long as the comments are "legal;" not inflammatory to the point of slander or libel.

The dissemination of information is what this is all about, and yes, sometimes it gets a little "over the top," but overall, I think it's a useful way to hash out issues that are not easily dealt with.

I think this great-running, and beautiful Nova which seems to be built with stretching the rules (not necessarily breaking them) in mind, may be just such a subject.

But, the discusssion may have run its course; is there anything pertinent left to say? Or, has it all been covered, already?

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Maybe we're NOT done with this thread yet.

1, You don't have to be a racer to post in this section.

I don't know who Bob Stampfli is. He hasn't come forward yet. Maybe he is an NHRA member and long time Stock Eliminator fan.He plans on building one someday. He's got the rule book memorized.
He goes over to Maple Grove to look around . He sees cars that obviously don't follow the rulebook. He sees cars without the heater controls in the dash, (Not the Nova. I don't know, because I haven't seen it) He sees cars with the transmission tunnel removable, where the rulebook says "full stock floor required. He has to look twice to see if he's veered off into the Super Gas aisle. "Bob" hates to see Stock bastardized and turned into Bracket Two.
Who does HE get to protest?

2, I go to the Phoenix divisional, and I see the same guys working tech that are there each and every Saturday night, teching bracket cars. They're looking for safety items.They're not looking for heater controls. If you think ,because a car passes tech at a points meet, therefore it's 100 % legal ,you are dreaming.
I've spent many hours hacking away at the back of a heater control and gluing the knobs in place to save a few ounces in the middle of the car. Why? Because that's what's supposed to be there when you go through tech .It's clearly spelled out in the rulebook
Now it seems some don't want to go through all that trouble. Just weld up the holes and argue that it really doesn't matter because the car has to weigh so much anyway.

3, The kid driving the Keir Nova ,sure is a good driver.

4, That Nova has a great paint job on it.

5, #'s 3 and 4 have absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

I agree and I posted this earlier. Doesn't matter who this person is. If the info is wrong, it needs corrected. I had a record stolen from me once. I say stolen because the car was so bogus. Much to my pleasure, soon afterward the car was put into the barn at Indy. Many of my suspicions were confirmed. This, despite what was written on this forum by their fan club about "how hard working and dedicated this racer was to the sport...blah, blah, blah"

[bill dedman]

Did you get your record back? Or, would that be asking too much????

[Paul Merolla]

Originally Posted by herbjr

Its not our job to be Judge and Jury. If you dont like the car put your money where your opinions are, not on the keyboard. Pictures or not if you dont the car, become a tech man and then you can have an opinion that counts, otherwise its just an opinion.

Herb Jr

Tired of Keyboard racers talking crap about other peoples car.

That being said, let's say you're pulling into the water for your heads-up round against a '68 Nova with a 6-71 huffer poking through the hood...following your logic, you should just take your lumps or become a tech man, right? We wouldn't even be having this discussion if the rules were ENFORCED equally across the divisions.
And no, I'm not a racer yet...I'm the guy Mark mentioned. My car that's roughly 60% done is already more legal than a lot of stuff I've seen at the track.