Would you take the numbers out????

[H.A.A.C. Racing]

Originally Posted by Dave Steltz

Depends on whether you are 2:1 or not...some go .011 , then add .010 and go .033..

Me yes I would have take at least .010 more out....

Fortunately on a .370 tree I dont have to worry about it, I only carry .005 usually...

Dave,

I have to tell you, I have never heard of that. If someone adds .010 and goes .020 more, I think they need to either have their delay box checked or theirselves. A hundreth of a second is a hundreth of a second. I would love to hear more on this if I am incorrect.

[GaryGoFast]

Originally Posted by H.A.A.C. Racing

Dave,

I have to tell you, I have never heard of that. If someone adds .010 and goes .020 more, I think they need to either have their delay box checked or theirselves. A hundreth of a second is a hundreth of a second. I would love to hear more on this if I am incorrect.

x's 2, quack quack

[Dave Steltz]

Originally Posted by H.A.A.C. Racing

Dave,

I have to tell you, I have never heard of that. If someone adds .010 and goes .020 more, I think they need to either have their delay box checked or theirselves. A hundreth of a second is a hundreth of a second. I would love to hear more on this if I am incorrect.

Well a "smart" racer told me this, and to verify it, maybe Gary would like to copy his time slip from first round, and explain it...he may have said the same as you Pete, and then....

I think he was .011, added .010 and was .033....sounds like 2 to 1 to me....

[H.A.A.C. Racing]

but with all the veriables, does he/she really think it's 2:1? Is that person sure he/she hit it the same way, staged the same, same 60' time?

That has happened to me, but I never thought it was because of a ratio, and I have made a change that made sense more often then not...ie: add .005 to a .005 and go .010.

Please know that I am not breaking balls or making "fun" of anyone, I always want to learn something, I would just have a tuff time believing that unless Kevin from K&R or one of the Biandos said it was true.

[Dave Steltz]

Originally Posted by H.A.A.C. Racing

but with all the veriables, does he/she really think it's 2:1? Is that person sure he/she hit it the same way, staged the same, same 60' time?

That has happened to me, but I never thought it was because of a ratio, and I have made a change that made sense more often then not...ie: add .005 to a .005 and go .010.

Please know that I am not breaking balls or making "fun" of anyone, I always want to learn something, I would just have a tuff time believing that unless Kevin from K&R or one of the Biandos said it was true.

In all seriousness, most have a range on the tree (for any given day)...its pretty tough to be within .003-5 every light, cause there are so many variables...track, staging, light, etc...

So doesnt it seem like sometimes when you take out or add, your light doesnt change as much, or changes more ?

Lets say your normal spread is .010...so if your set up for a .020, you might be .012, then .017, then .026, then .015 again....then now if you add or take away from the box, your spread will change to reflect that...

Actually Pete, I give you alot of credit for staying with your settings and racing to win !!! You would feel like crap if you took out .020, then went red....or stayed the same cause you missed it a little and took out more...Jim had a great package and thats it...

Go to Drag Race Central and look in the later rounds for any given racer and look at his/her light over 5-6 rounds...very rare to see someone within .005 for every round...

You went to the final in a National Event....I know tons of guys who havent even been close, so take some credit for getting there....Even if you had a duck in one of the rounds....

[mcaruso]

Originally Posted by Dave Steltz

....Even if you had a duck in one of the rounds....

....and was still drunk from flip cup the night before!

[S/G 386N]

You want to see consistant lights? Check out John Taylor in Gainesville this year. He beat me round 4.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2009#indextop

Just think if he took .010 out of the box.

[H.A.A.C. Racing]

Originally Posted by Dave Steltz

In all seriousness, most have a range on the tree (for any given day)...its pretty tough to be within .003-5 every light, cause there are so many variables...track, staging, light, etc...

So doesnt it seem like sometimes when you take out or add, your light doesnt change as much, or changes more ?

Lets say your normal spread is .010...so if your set up for a .020, you might be .012, then .017, then .026, then .015 again....then now if you add or take away from the box, your spread will change to reflect that...

Actually Pete, I give you alot of credit for staying with your settings and racing to win !!! You would feel like crap if you took out .020, then went red....or stayed the same cause you missed it a little and took out more...Jim had a great package and thats it...

Go to Drag Race Central and look in the later rounds for any given racer and look at his/her light over 5-6 rounds...very rare to see someone within .005 for every round...

You went to the final in a National Event....I know tons of guys who havent even been close, so take some credit for getting there....Even if you had a duck in one of the rounds....

Thank you, there has been plenty of times I have changed #'s and didn't react to the change. Hell sometimed I took out and went slower like final round @ E-Town. I just always thought it was me and not a ratio. I really would like to talk to a delay box builder and ask them about this.

[racerhead]

The delay box adjusts time at a 1:1 basis. Unlike a throtle stop, there is no ratio involved. When deciding whether to take time out, a driver must consider his fastest reaction (in this case the .013) as his 'zero.' (assuming no other changes) He knows that taking any more than .013 out is for certain the danger zone unless he's confident that the track has changed. How close he's willing to get to his zero depends on how much he feels like risking.

Often a driver will take time out and end up doubting the decision, fearful of going red. That sense of doubt leads to muscle tension, which adds to his reaction time: ie: take .010 out, then tension makes him react .030 slower...end result .020 slower than the previous reaction.

I consulted with a new team in Texas last year in which the driver was .023 red on her last time run after going .040 and .020 green. I suggested they add at least .023 for first round to bring her back up to zero. The husband was very reluctant, concerned that they coud go .060 something. I said any less and she will be afraid of going red, and if she's afraid of going red she's not going to hit the tree. They added .023 and she went .000 in the first round...she cut the exact same light as her last time run.

The lesson, no matter what you do you've got to commit to it 100%.

Bruce Deveau

[sc1153]

Originally Posted by racerhead

The delay box adjusts time at a 1:1 basis. Unlike a throtle stop, there is no ratio involved. When deciding whether to take time out, a driver must consider his fastest reaction (in this case the .013) as his 'zero.' (assuming no other changes) He knows that taking any more than .013 out is for certain the danger zone unless he's confident that the track has changed. How close he's willing to get to his zero depends on how much he feels like risking.

Often a driver will take time out and end up doubting the decision, fearful of going red. That sense of doubt leads to muscle tension, which adds to his reaction time: ie: take .010 out, then tension makes him react .030 slower...end result .020 slower than the previous reaction.

I consulted with a new team in Texas last year in which the driver was .023 red on her last time run after going .040 and .020 green. I suggested they add at least .023 for first round to bring her back up to zero. The husband was very reluctant, concerned that they coud go .060 something. I said any less and she will be afraid of going red, and if she's afraid of going red she's not going to hit the tree. They added .023 and she went .000 in the first round...she cut the exact same light as her last time run.

The lesson, no matter what you do you've got to commit to it 100%.

Bruce Deveau

Makes Sense .... I try to do that same thing however making my perfect .000 actually .005 so there is a buffer area. If I could do it I would like to be .010 every time down the track. Also I take into consideration my variation. If I make one pass and I am .008 many people would add delay, I will not assuming the next pass I could be .013 averaging my .010----- If I am .004 or better I will be adding delay the next round.