AA/SA @ Norwalk OH

[Ken Miele]

David,

I will be there, but not sure how well I will run. The engine problems are behind me I hope, but now I can't hook the dam thing. I wish we would have got one more run.

I think John will be running A/SA, but it would be cool to see him in AA.

I was thinking how cool it would be to have a AA challenge at Indy this year. Maybe we can get some feed back from other AA's and see if we could put something together.

David, I don't know about your car, but my paper car can give nasty paper cuts. I think I will have to put caution signs on the fenders.

[hadtobethere]

Originally Posted by Ken Miele

I was thinking how cool it would be to have a AA challenge at Indy this year. Maybe we can get some feed back from other AA's and see if we could put something together.

...08' Cobra Jets got your ears on?....paper Mopars / paper Shelbys / 08 Cobras......sorry, you GM guys got no paper cars

[David Barton]

Ken,
I agree, that would be really cool. How many cars normally show in AA/SA? And how many A/SA cars would make the jump into AA/SA? Then the next question would be what about the 4-speed guys? I'm sure that will come up too. NHRA would never allow it at Indy but it would be a good thought for future shootouts. Can't leave them out!

The biggest thing that might scare some people away would be the fear of not qualifying for the bracket race since the index is so steep.

If people are into having a big shootout I will call our vendors to see what they can throw into the pot. Lets try to get something happening.

Paper Boy

[David Barton]

I wasn't even born yet but I was told that only Challenger's came with those hoods.

The Paper Shredder might be illegal.

[JHeath]

So Larry, your car is a "paper car" also?

You've been crying about these so called "paper cars" for how many years now? Back in 2001, you were complaining about Lance Line and Matt Morgan. Then you started on Bill Hawk and Ken Miele, and now apparently Barton's car is a paper tiger too.

Here's a question. How many of these "paper cars" have deprived you of a class win?
Or, how many of these "paper cars" have prevented you from winning a national event?

Maybe you should worry about your own stuff instead of crying about three cars in the entire country.

[bill dedman]

Paper cars are not the problem; bogus HP factors are the problem.

NHRA added HP to the "paper" NASCAR Hemi before it ever hit the track, but these 2008 Mustangs with a 425HP factor and a 700+HP engine continue, unabated (one was the #1 qualifier at the Div V Points race this weekend.)

I can't IMAGINE that anybody with anything BUT one of those blown, injected, 4-valve Mustangs thinks they have a prayer in AA/SA (or, stick) if they choose to show up for a Class elimination, or "shootout."

At 140+ MPH, they're sure gonna be hard to stay ahead of... no matter how "soft" they leave.

[Larry Hill]

David "Paper Boy" Barton; I believe John will have his car in AA/SA to protect it from running 1.15 under at Norwalk. Last week at N.J. John went 1.21 under in elimination, so I believe he will protect the combination by running in AA/SA. I still believe its going to be a great class to watch, Good Luck to all.

There is an interesting picture a few years back in the National Dragster of the best appearing car at a Division One Points race, the picture has a SS/FA 1970 'Cuda 440 six pack, Allen Dame car owner, Bob Lang Division One director, and Bruce Bachelder NHRA Tech.

What is a "Paper Car": one that was never built, or that the public could never purchase.
Paper Cars: 1998 LT1 Camaro, 428 fords with 2.200 crank pin size, L 88 carburetor, dove heads, .527 lift cams, bell housing for a C4 to a FE block, almost forgot Eldebrock Aluminum Heads. Nascar Hemi with a street intake, aka The Short Track Manifold. If they are going to race the Nascar deal at least put the correct manifold on it. The 08 Corbra is a real car its way under factored but a real car you can buy for around $75000

Mr Heath I have lost to Lance Line, John Foxbower, Mike Winke and Marty Burke, for class AFTER the discovery of the .527 lift cam and the replacement carb. Ken Miele out drove me then out ran by .02 the first round a class at Gainesville one year. Ken beat me with the real stuff.

I believe you are correct I just need to work on my stuff. I would appreciate your help, I have a 1972 Dodge Charger with a 400 4sp. I was wondering what class that it would figure?

Thanks for your Help.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I believe you are correct I just need to work on my stuff. I would appreciate your help, I have a 1972 Dodge Charger with a 400 4sp. I was wondering what class that it would figure?

Thanks for your Help.

Larry,

You have discovered NHRA's little secret. It was even in the National Dragster (Mike Dunn's column?) how Fuller's Top Fuel car has a better chassis than some of the other cars because he is short and the car is built different allowing more flex in the front half of the chassis. Maybe NHRA should have all the drivers weigh (use 200?) and have to add any "short" weight in the drivers seat area. Just think, you and Jeff T. might be the only guys tossing weight out of their cars!!

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Paper cars are not the problem; bogus HP factors are the problem.

NHRA added HP to the "paper" NASCAR Hemi before it ever hit the track, but these 2008 Mustangs with a 425HP factor and a 700+HP engine continue, unabated (one was the #1 qualifier at the Div V Points race this weekend.)

I can't IMAGINE that anybody with anything BUT one of those blown, injected, 4-valve Mustangs thinks they have a prayer in AA/SA (or, stick) if they choose to show up for a Class elimination, or "shootout."

At 140+ MPH, they're sure gonna be hard to stay ahead of... no matter how "soft" they leave.

I don't have a dog in this hunt but I think what I am about to write rings true; is there any combo that makes the power NHRA or IHRA factors it? If all the combos made the power they were factored the high hp cars will dominate right? Quit worrying about the bs rules package NHRA created and race. When the paper cars and underfactored cars run too fast if they are legal weight and run anywhere other than Division 6 or 7 they will be factored.

[bill dedman]

>>>"is there any combo that makes the power NHRA or IHRA factors it?"

No.

Is there any you can name (other than the 2008 CJ's) that make nearly THREE HUNDRED HORSEPOWER more than their factor?

Name one... please.

It's a matter of degree...