Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Dick Butler]

Thats why guys used firebirds with hood openings on ram air motors so it wasnt a "stretch" that they could open the hood. Like you said in GT you chose the weakly factored motor but you might weigh the hood or hood clearance versus the style also.

[Mark Yacavone]

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

Well I think it is wrong to assume there are no super stock fans. Not that they couldnt be developed like NASCAR fans. If NHRA or IHRA marketed us we would be way more popular. Common Sense rules would go a long way. There are tons of SS fans on the Pontiac, Ford, Chevrolet, Mopar, Buick websites that dont understand the GT car rules. I am one of them. ;-)

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

[Lynn A McCarty]

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Lynn A McCarty

I still think stock and super stock is a very valuable untapped resource. You could have said the same thing about NASCAR 30 years ago. If you dont sell it.....it will never be sold. Anyway I think the rule change suggestion would make hypo engines in the GT applications make way more common sense.

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

[Jeff Lee]

pinks: all out

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world the kids that would normally be coming into our sport are not interested.There are too many things to do other than spend money they don't have on the bottomless pit S/SS is becoming.they
buy Hondas now,not GM,Ford,Mopar etc.
And look at NASCAR.Their fanbase (theout) is deteriorting,no good old boy drivers,a world car and supposedly in the future a world engine.Sound like Pro Stock??????????????

Ed

Ed,

If I had your attitude, the following things would have never been tried or accomplished:

1.) Stop mufflers on SSers and Sers
2.) RA-IV stocker engine down to 356 from 380HP/375HP
3.) 1973 455SD from 350HP to 325HP (from a guy running nitrous on this combo)
4.) Edelbrock replacement heads on a few Super Stockers
5.) 1970 455HO reduced to 335HP from 360HP
6.) Delay boxes stopped from SSer and Sers
7.) RA-IV engine HP down from 380HP & 370HP down to 340HP in SSers.
8.) Indian Adventure block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.
9.) Kaufman block approved for Pontiacs in S and SS.

Nor would the following endeavors be tried:

1.) Correct statistical methods for AHFS
2.) Heads up races instead of 3 days of boring practice at Points races
3.) Edelbrock heads on stock Pontiacs to run against Edelbrock heads already existing on BBC's and 428 CJ motors.
4.) Edelbrock heads on 455SD motors and 421SD motors.
5.) RA-V heads for Modified engines
6.) A factory race engine heads up class at 6.0 and 7.0 for GT cars
7.) Factory Ram Air for Ram Air engines in GT cars.

Ed, NHRA and IHRA has been very helpful if you keep after it and it makes common sense. You must keep the glass half full instead of half empty.......or better yet as engineers always say you gotta get the right size glass for the job!

One thing I will bet you for sure......if we dont try it wont happen, and if it doesnt happen, it wont be because we didnt try.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Lynn,get real.If there were real S/SS fans around we would be racing with people in the stands,not just our friends,at divisional races.They get lured to divisionals by low/no entries and booked in shows.The
market and culture just isn't there anymore,sad to say.Kids didn't buy jap cars then,they do now in droves.NHRA and the car companies gave a ****.It's a different world now.We are becoming the modern day dinosaurs.
BTW,if NHRA cared maybe they would take you up on your so called AHFS cure.Have they called you yet?Not knocking you but facts are facts.

Ed F.

Ed,

They arent compelled because no one on this end is supporting it. We got the mufflers stopped because everyone got behind it. If there is enough noise and support it will get a response. If we dont have NHRA supporting us Ed, we need to do it ourselves. We must get out of the attitude of waiting for someone else to do it for us.

You ought to go to Bill Bader's points race. There were tons of people in the stands. If we can add excitement like running class instead of 3 days of boring practice, maybe someone might like to watch! It will never be sold if no one ever tries to sell it.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Please... We already have FWD conversions. To the average fan, they don't even sound right without a fartcan.

Good one Mark!!