Common Sense GT car rules revision!

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

If I'm getting this right you're proposing going to running off indexes or national records.If so bye bye
S/SS.You will have the same 20 guys with deep pockets racing.Just like it was when the bracket format was introduced to raise participation levels.

You're reading it wrong. Lynn is proposing class eliminations instead of time trials. Much like the SportsNational Open at Bowling Green. Instead of 2,3,4 or more time trials, you get one time trial, then they run class. It's an excellent idea really. Class gets contested, the spectators get to see some heads up no break out racing, and everyone still gets to run final eliminations.

[bigshow2966]

Just asking, but what Mopar motors if any were rated higher with a hood scoop besides maybe the package cars? All the production motors had the same HP scoop or not.

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

Just asking, but what Mopar motors if any were rated higher with a hood scoop besides maybe the package cars? All the production motors had the same HP scoop or not.

Good point bigshow, our Max Wedge car has the same HP with or without the hood scoop as far as we can tell. Ron really cant afford a $5k alum hood, so no hood scoop for him either. No one can tell me that hood clearance and hoods scoops arent an issue. We had to make Ron''s plenum very small due to the lack of hood clearance. We also had to make the intake runner about an inch too short.

What I am saying is that if the guys run the Max Wedge or the 440 magnum in the GT car they should be able to incorporate the hood scoop how the engine came. Shaker or otherwise.

[John Kelley]

NHRA should just lower the HP Factor for the "ram air" in bodies without a SCOOP.....problem solved.\
And a LOT less hassle on legality of the proper scoop..........geesh

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by John Kelley

NHRA should just lower the HP Factor for the "ram air" in bodies without a SCOOP.....problem solved.\
And a LOT less hassle on legality of the proper scoop..........geesh

Yes true John, but how much do you figure? Then.......how much for the shorter intake that kills power? Some cars have less than others. I know I put RA on my wifes 99 TA and it was like night and day.

If you add the allowable hood stock hood scoop all the variables and dynamics go away. Our Max wedge is suffering at least 20HP on the intake and probably another number for the Ram Air. The 455SD's I havent a clue. The 440 Magnums, who knows?

The thing that really pisses us off is that there are many cars out there without RA engines running their hoods open. That aint right either. Common Sense could fix that too.

[Dave Tincher]

Would you have to put the scoop on a stock hood? Or could you use the very expensive carbon fiber hoods floating around in SuperStock on GT cars?

[Lynn A McCarty]

Originally Posted by Dave Tincher

Would you have to put the scoop on a stock hood? Or could you use the very expensive carbon fiber hoods floating around in SuperStock on GT cars?

My hood is steel OEM TA hood. I would suggest just incorporating the correct shaker or hood scoop that the RAM AIR engine came from original OEM in the car. Factory hypo cars run the ram air HP rating as we all know it was done for two reasons. First one being ram air, but the most important reason hood clearance so we can get a good intake on there to properly represent the HP rating. We lose both of these by going to the GT cars.

[Bobby DiDomenico]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

You're reading it wrong. Lynn is proposing class eliminations instead of time trials. Much like the SportsNational Open at Bowling Green. Instead of 2,3,4 or more time trials, you get one time trial, then they run class. It's an excellent idea really. Class gets contested, the spectators get to see some heads up no break out racing, and everyone still gets to run final eliminations.

Alan,

Beside funnin' him on this GT hood scoop deal, I've spoken with Lynn about this many times, NOTHING is more boring than Stk/SS time runs. It takes the same amount of time to run the cars off their correct index as it does now. I like the idea of class runoffs during time runs (gee, kinda like the Pro shoot outs, but excitiment EVERY WEEK at every meet!) But at the least run time runs off the index, and maybe eliminate the 1000' clocks? At Joliet Bob announced the 1000' qualifiing club. Either that or go to a random number generator for positions to eliminate sandbagging... Because lifting at 1000' is nearly as boring as the situation we have now. Are we really that bad we need 4 or 5 runs at each meet to practice?

As to increased participation, the expense of running even a Stock Eliminator car what with fake camshafts, and paperweight transmission rotating assemblies, aluminum brakes and superlite wheels have just about killed the local kid moving into NHRA racing unless his/her dad is loaded and racing. Just look at the Pro's.