National opener in Div 6 - Page 2

RPinoski1 · 07-01-2009, 10:19 AM

At DIV 7 Ntl Open @ Sac last year they let a half a dozen local bracket cars compete in the combo. No tech what so ever....just a car number and class sticker and you were good to go. Unfotunately, it left a bad taste for a lot of the guys. Many said they wouldn't come back....As you can see the turnout was poor this year.

The issue of these runs counting towards the AHFS was brought up.....Do they or don't they count?

Dion Hildebrandt · 07-01-2009, 10:56 AM

last year at the medicine hat nat open there was fuel check and scales, and nhra tech guys running the show, was no heads up but no duplicate class cars either. this year in ashcroft no fuel no scales, but all nhra tech guys on hand. ashcrofts scale looked pretty sketchy,either way i probably would have passed it by anyway. l

Rory McNeil · 07-01-2009, 12:38 PM

As Bill & Dion mentioned, Ascroft & Bremerton esentially don`t have proper, functional scales. Since Mission does, and holds a LODRS race, I would hope that the scales would be used there for their Open race. I agree that weight & fuel should be checked, as unless things have changed, you can set a NHRA Nat`l record at an Open. I think that between the economy, and the fact that a Open "double header" weekend now only counts as 1 grade point for 2 races, the farther away Opens will have lower Stock & S/S car counts.

Chuck Porter · 07-01-2009, 12:46 PM

Dion
As far as I know at the "Hat" as long as there is fuel check and scales, there "should" be heads up. There was one instance, I believe 2 years ago when the NHRA fuel check equipment wasn't working at the Hat. That's another story. It is my opinion and one that is shared by most Stk/SS competitors around here that there should be heads up during eliminations period. As I recall when I spoke to NHRA about this I was assured it wasn't the norm. The last time I was at Bremerton a few years ago the scale was operative. Ashcroft tried to use theirs a couple of years ago and they fought with it all weekend and finally gave up.
I would hate to see the National Open series eliminate Stk/SS because of scales and fuel check, however I certainly agree that it opens up for debate the whole AHFS and records situation.
To allow bracket cars to fill a field is garbage. I wouldn't go back either.
Chuck

X-TECH MAN · 07-01-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RPinoski1

At DIV 7 Ntl Open @ Sac last year they let a half a dozen local bracket cars compete in the combo. No tech what so ever....just a car number and class sticker and you were good to go. Unfotunately, it left a bad taste for a lot of the guys. Many said they wouldn't come back....As you can see the turnout was poor this year.

The issue of these runs counting towards the AHFS was brought up.....Do they or don't they count?

Gezzzzzzzz.....and you guys "Bitch" and complain about IHRA points races. Sounds "same ole same ole" to me.

Dion Hildebrandt · 07-01-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck Porter

Dion
As far as I know at the "Hat" as long as there is fuel check and scales, there "should" be heads up. To allow bracket cars to fill a field is garbage. I wouldn't go back either.
Chuck

i agree and i have no problem with heads up although im easy pickin's as i am 'working on my combo' i just wanted to point out that there is the equipment to do the proper class racing policeing at some national opens in our division.

RPinoski1 · 07-01-2009, 03:21 PM

No bitchin here. Just stated facts......
Seems like a slap in the face to all Class racers doesn't it?
Attend a Stock/Superstock combo with a class car at correct weight against a 750 Holley topped bracket car at who knows what weight knowing that the car couldn't run the index if it was at correct weight with the correct carb and intake.
Then to top it off have those runs count against the AHFS

Tony Janes · 07-01-2009, 07:24 PM

The National Opens will be run the way by who ever makes the final decision on how it is run. Since we do not have a situation where an illegal car has gone 1.40 under, it is not necessary to worry about it until it happens. Most people run national open to get grade points. This makes it a true money bracket, the best packages win..

partsbob67 · 07-01-2009, 07:47 PM

i think that an open should be just that. let it all hang out with no worry about ahfs on monday. kinda like no penalty from comp during qualifing. wheels up and balls out!!!!!! damn the torpedoes!!!!!

Chuck Porter · 07-02-2009, 12:46 AM

Dion,
You've come a long way in a short time. You showed them how to drive in Ashcroft. Don't sell yourself short, you're doing a hell of good a job as far as I'm concerned!
CP

07-01-2009, 10:19 AM	#11
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 At DIV 7 Ntl Open @ Sac last year they let a half a dozen local bracket cars compete in the combo. No tech what so ever....just a car number and class sticker and you were good to go. Unfotunately, it left a bad taste for a lot of the guys. Many said they wouldn't come back....As you can see the turnout was poor this year. The issue of these runs counting towards the AHFS was brought up.....Do they or don't they count?

07-01-2009, 10:56 AM	#12
Dion Hildebrandt Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: calgary alberta canada Posts: 383 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 last year at the medicine hat nat open there was fuel check and scales, and nhra tech guys running the show, was no heads up but no duplicate class cars either. this year in ashcroft no fuel no scales, but all nhra tech guys on hand. ashcrofts scale looked pretty sketchy,either way i probably would have passed it by anyway. l __________________ Dion Hildebrandt 6009 STK H/SA

07-01-2009, 12:38 PM	#13
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,311 Likes: 317 Liked 1,104 Times in 302 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 As Bill & Dion mentioned, Ascroft & Bremerton esentially don`t have proper, functional scales. Since Mission does, and holds a LODRS race, I would hope that the scales would be used there for their Open race. I agree that weight & fuel should be checked, as unless things have changed, you can set a NHRA Nat`l record at an Open. I think that between the economy, and the fact that a Open "double header" weekend now only counts as 1 grade point for 2 races, the farther away Opens will have lower Stock & S/S car counts. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

07-01-2009, 12:46 PM	#14
Chuck Porter Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 104 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 Dion As far as I know at the "Hat" as long as there is fuel check and scales, there "should" be heads up. There was one instance, I believe 2 years ago when the NHRA fuel check equipment wasn't working at the Hat. That's another story. It is my opinion and one that is shared by most Stk/SS competitors around here that there should be heads up during eliminations period. As I recall when I spoke to NHRA about this I was assured it wasn't the norm. The last time I was at Bremerton a few years ago the scale was operative. Ashcroft tried to use theirs a couple of years ago and they fought with it all weekend and finally gave up. I would hate to see the National Open series eliminate Stk/SS because of scales and fuel check, however I certainly agree that it opens up for debate the whole AHFS and records situation. To allow bracket cars to fill a field is garbage. I wouldn't go back either. Chuck __________________ Chuck Porter STK

07-01-2009, 03:21 PM	#17
RPinoski1 Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: PLACERVILLE, CA Posts: 182 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 No bitchin here. Just stated facts...... Seems like a slap in the face to all Class racers doesn't it? Attend a Stock/Superstock combo with a class car at correct weight against a 750 Holley topped bracket car at who knows what weight knowing that the car couldn't run the index if it was at correct weight with the correct carb and intake. Then to top it off have those runs count against the AHFS

07-01-2009, 07:24 PM	#18
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 The National Opens will be run the way by who ever makes the final decision on how it is run. Since we do not have a situation where an illegal car has gone 1.40 under, it is not necessary to worry about it until it happens. Most people run national open to get grade points. This makes it a true money bracket, the best packages win.. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

07-01-2009, 07:47 PM	#19
partsbob67 Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: rohnert park,ca Posts: 414 Likes: 11 Liked 79 Times in 11 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 i think that an open should be just that. let it all hang out with no worry about ahfs on monday. kinda like no penalty from comp during qualifing. wheels up and balls out!!!!!! damn the torpedoes!!!!! __________________ bob beals 7244

07-02-2009, 12:46 AM	#20
Chuck Porter Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 104 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: National opener in Div 6 Dion, You've come a long way in a short time. You showed them how to drive in Ashcroft. Don't sell yourself short, you're doing a hell of good a job as far as I'm concerned! CP __________________ Chuck Porter STK