AA/SA Sorensen @ Woodburn

[bigshow2966]

OK, so Sorensen went 1.28 under and is a cheater.

My buddy went 1.27 under in V/SA at Topeka. Is he a cheater too?

1.28 under isn't exactly bombing an index.

My buddy wants to be torn down to prove he isn't a cheater.

[Z28-69]

I wonder how long before someone starts saying Tiger Woods cheats. I think he could be using loaded golf balls or something.

I have to say I think some credit is due here on this record guys. And some are so focused on his motor....what about maybe a perfectly tuned chassis to that track that day at that hour. How many of you know if there wasn't a slight tail wind during that run to help aid. There is many more varibles here than just a fast motor. I think some credit is due.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

OK, so Sorensen went 1.28 under and is a cheater.

My buddy went 1.27 under in V/SA at Topeka. Is he a cheater too?

1.28 under isn't exactly bombing an index.

My buddy wants to be torn down to prove he isn't a cheater.

bear in mind that there is a .4 difference between AA/SA and A/SA. 1.28 under in AA/SA theoretically would be 1.48 under in A/SA. now THAT would be bombing the index. Not taking sides, or saying he's legal or illegal, just pointing that out.

[hadtobethere]

Originally Posted by bigshow2966

my buddy went 1.27 under in v/sa at topeka......

....wow

[RJ Sledge]

Hey Ed.....I just got home and I'm gonna get me a "Cold One" so cut loose any time, I'm ready.

RJ

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by r sledge

Hey Ed.....I just got home and I'm gonna get me a "Cold One" so cut loose any time, I'm ready.

RJ

Just pop in your "Borat" DVD. It'll be just about as pointless.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Just pop in your "Borat" DVD. It'll be just about as pointless.

I'm rolling on the floor laughing my *** off

[Alan Roehrich]

As usual, Ed, you recall wrong. I said they were LEGAL, I did not say they were stock. However, I did drag an old 427/425 piston out and compare it to new pistons on the list, and guess what, the dome is the same height and basic shape, and the valve relief is the same depth and location.

As I recall, and others do as well, you claimed several well known racers in Stock had hidden devices in their transmissions, because they had consistently good reaction times. You were wrong on that, too, and I proved it. Not only did we own one of the cars, with the transmission you claimed was doctored (I've since built it 3-4 times), but I also built one of the others (by the way, it won the very next race). Neither of them had anything in them except regular internal parts. Nothing there at all Ed, your claims that those drivers were cheating was completely and utterly without merit or factual basis.

As far as this particular discussion goes, you do not even really know who you are accusing of cheating. And you have ZERO proof. All you have is your completely baseless opinion, with no evidence at all to back it up. You claim a set of heads and intake, that you have never seen, is cheated up, and you claim that NHRA Tech is too stupid, blind, or corrupt, take your pick, to find it.

I suppose that you, and a few other people, find your nonsense to be funny, amusing, or maybe "witty banter". The thing about it is, all your baseless accusations of rampant cheating are bad for the sport. There is absolutely nothing positive about your "contribution". To anyone that lacks the experience, or access to the factual information and the truth about the sport, it gives the appearance that the only way to win, go fast, or set records, is to cheat. That's a crock of crap.

And they made you an offer Ed. So if you are so sure of yourself, put your money where your mouth is, go on out and pony up the protest fee, and prove they're illegal. Especially since you think their Stock Eliminator pistons "won't pour" in Super Stock. To hear you talk, you've got an ace in the hole. But evidently, you don't have enough faith in your "opinions" to put up the cash. Talk is cheap Ed, if they're cheating so blatantly, and you're so sure of it, take them up on the offer. I think we'll find out that you, Ed, are "all hat and no cattle". You'll hide behind your monitor, and accuse people of cheating, but when offered the chance to prove it, you'll bring nothing but excuses.

[Duane Eiskant II]

Very well put Alan. I agree with you 100% and you know we dont agree on much. Maybe everyone on here should put up the money and have Ed protested? I'll bring my 4 year old son and he can show Mr. Ed what hes doing wrong....

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Ed OBrien

Alan
The only NHRA tech man I ever said was either stupid or crooked and I don't know which one it is would be Mr. Danny and if you could pull your head out of your south end long enough to get some fresh air you just might start understanding what you read but I doubt it .As far as people cheating hell yes there are plenty and listen close the last thing NHRA wants to do is bring it out in the open . One more time so you can get it right They Don't Want To Catch People Winning Races Cheating !!! Your not bright enough to understand it but they don't want to open that can of worms . As far as paying NHRA to tear someone down why waste the money while Danny's around ? Do you think they would kick someone that spends money with them ? One more question if you don't mind telling but what color is the sky in the your world ? Have a nice day

Ed,
Are you or are you not claiming the Sorenson's engine was illegal this past weekend? Gracia wasn't there, last I heard. And they (Division 6 tech) had the engine apart. So you're saying Sorenson's engine was illegal, and Division 6 couldn't find it.

I never said no one cheats. Not once. But I proved you wrong once already.

We've never been faster than 9.89, running the same combination the Sorensons do. So if they're cheating, I'd feel a Hell of a lot better, since they're 3 tenths faster than we are. I build our engines, transmissions, and rear ends. I've been back at it for 5 years. They've been flogging the exact same stuff for probably 20 years. So I'd expect them to be 2-3 tenths faster. Especially since we've not had the time or money to test that much. I'm not so arrogant or egotistical as to think we'd be as fast as someone who's been doing it 4 times as long with the same car. They've had a lot of time to figure out what does not work. And that is what makes you fast. Knowing what not to do is every bit as important as knowing what to do.

I'll let you in on another "secret". Those castings, intakes and heads, very dramatically. The quality of cast iron closed chamber rectangle port heads varies enough to make 30HP difference. Out of 20 sets, you MIGHT find a decent pair. And you might not. I know a guy who has 5 sets of new in the box heads, and 8 new in the box manifolds. And I can tell you that some of them are absolute junk. Some are fair. He does not have a set of raw castings good enough to make a killer set of heads.

The first official 9.99 pass was made about 10 years ago with the same combination at A weight. Now, AA weight for that combination is 212 pounds lighter. So, 212 pounds is two tenths, or 9.79. And you think ten years of progress in cams, intakes, and headers, never mind transmission and torque converters, is not worth another 2 tenths?

I never claimed anyone was pure as driven snow, in fact, far from it. I've been racing in one form or another since 1978. About 1980 or so, Jenkins said "What's NOT in the rule book is more important than what is". ANY restricted class is about how far you can stretch the rules and still work inside them. If you aren't stretching the rules and pushing the limits, you aren't racing. Everyone who is racing and going fast is pushing the limit, unless they've got a gravy train combination.

I never claimed Glendora was faultless, either, far from it. In fact, several of the REALLY good tech men they won't let do their jobs are good friends of mine.

By the way, Ed, none of the other 427/425 guys are complaining, or calling them cheaters. I don't see any of the other AA guys complaining, crying, or calling them cheaters, either. Funny, isn't it? We're the ones that have to deal with it if they get us horsepower, we're the ones who have to race them heads up for class or eliminations. We're not crying or calling them cheaters. Go figure.

Oh, yeah, it's 9:30 here, so the sky is sort of a real dark blue/black, with broken cloud cover. Why do you ask? Is the tint on the glass in your belly window making the sky look funny?