427 Cougar Eliminator? - Page 2

Rich Biebel · 07-14-2009, 06:09 PM

Fank Iaconio won a Cougar Eliminator for winning the Super Stock Nationals at York Dragway ....I don't reacll what year it was exactly. It was a race run over 2 or 3 days and the racer who got the most points for round wins took the title. The car was yellow with some black accents. I thought it was a 428 CJ engine. It sat out in front of Franks shop in Totowa for quite a while for sale......I always like the sequential tailights on those old Cougar's.....

X-TECH MAN · 07-14-2009, 06:18 PM

Just think what that car would bring today at the Barrett Jackson auction......Whew !

Bill Howell · 07-14-2009, 07:45 PM

I used to own a pair of 68 Cougar GT-E's with the 427 engine. I had an all original red one that I sold to a fellow in San Antonio, TX a few years ago.
The other one was the last 427 Ford product made. It was made in July, 68. The 427's were replaced by the 428CJ's in the GT-E starting in April, 68. However, my car was the only 427 made with ram air and it also had the two speed rear end. I think the rear end is what held the order up and let it go by with the 427 SO engine. I believe it was Alex (Moneymaker) that told me he knew a little history about my car and that it was a factory mule, maybe.
Anyway, I sold it a few years ago for enough to buy a 69 drag pack GT-500 and thought I did well. Now, I really regret selling the Cougar although it is having a restoration done to it by someone that really appreciates what it is.

Jeff Lee · 07-14-2009, 09:33 PM

Yes, it is '68 only, not 1967 as I posted originally. Also, it was a 390 factory rating and the 427 Cougar had the small Holley. I assume it was the small car and hydraulic cam that hampered performance, although 390 HP in a mid-weight pony car can't be much to sneeze at. Here's the carb specs per NHRA:
428 CJ Holley - 1686x1686/1375x1437 14 – (735 CFM)
427 Holley – 1563x1563/1250x1313 (600 CFM?)

Interestingly, I see that NHRA lists this 427 as a Mustang option in 1968. While I do not believe that to be true, it is written. I would say the '68 427 Mustang / Cougar engine is due for some politickin' by some smart FOMOCO racers! How about something like the -75 HP drop the Pontiac 428 recently received? As I quickly review the specs, it looks like a 75 HP reduction is not out of line. Seriously....

Bill, how would you rate the performance of your Cougar GT-E against your GT-500? I would bet the GT500 is porkier and it shows.

The GT-E's restored bring close to $100K and are a rare sight. Some more discussion on that 2-speed GT-E would be interesting. Something like that at BJ or other venue? The sky's the limit. I could see a car like that with a 427 and special rear being well north of $150K.

bill dedman · 07-14-2009, 10:18 PM

>>>"Interestingly, I see that NHRA lists this 427 as a Mustang option in 1968. While I do not believe that to be true, it is written."

Jeff,
II attended the 1971 NHRA Nationals at Indy, and took my camera (wonder of wonders.) The first car I took a picture of was a 1968 Mustang fastback Stocker that had a 427 (not a 428CJ) in it. Denny Reed was with me, and he raced a 428 '68 fastback at the time, and he wanted a copy of that picture because he said it was a rare option, and that was the only one he'd ever seen.

Now, I can't find that picture. $#@^&*@^%$!!!!!!

But, they DID exist.... a few, anyway. It was a hydraulic-lifter engine, according to Denny. Not a particularly good choice as a race car,, he said at the time.

Jeff Lee · 07-14-2009, 11:49 PM

Ford guys,
I say 305 HP factor. This 427 compares favorably (I think) to the 1965 Dodge 426 street wedge. The 427 has a approximate .050" larger cam and a few CFM over the mopar.
So the question would be: is it worth 37 CI over a 390 / 315 with all of the inherent advantages a 390 has?
Obviously I'm bored...

Steves68Nova · 07-15-2009, 04:34 AM

Don't know how many of you guys have heard of Kevin Sudyam. Lives up Washington way and is a car collector. He is a crab fisherman like on TV, but not like on TV. He has a 1968 427 side oiler at http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gall...27+Side+Oiler/

The whole site is worth checking out. Some cars I remember reading about and drooling over when I was a kid.

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gallery2/main.php

Bob Don · 07-15-2009, 06:08 AM

Here is a link to a Cougar article in the new Muscle Machines. I realize it's a '70 but there's some good info in there:

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/..._feature1.html

Bobby DiDomenico · 07-15-2009, 07:31 AM

The whole site is worth checking out. Some cars I remember reading about and drooling over when I was a kid.

http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gallery2/main.php[/QUOTE]

Guys, thanks for the links, very nice sites. I recall seeing Don's Cougar for sale while talking with my friend Ed north west of Chicago. Really a period paint job. Doesn't Bucky Hess have those designs on his car?

Not to stir the pot :-) but none of his BB 'Cudas have a glass hood? ;-)

I'm going to attempt to get some better info from the guy about his 427.

07-14-2009, 06:09 PM	#11
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Fank Iaconio won a Cougar Eliminator for winning the Super Stock Nationals at York Dragway ....I don't reacll what year it was exactly. It was a race run over 2 or 3 days and the racer who got the most points for round wins took the title. The car was yellow with some black accents. I thought it was a 428 CJ engine. It sat out in front of Franks shop in Totowa for quite a while for sale......I always like the sequential tailights on those old Cougar's..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R

07-14-2009, 06:18 PM	#12
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Just think what that car would bring today at the Barrett Jackson auction......Whew !

07-14-2009, 07:45 PM	#13
Bill Howell Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Aiken, SC Posts: 315 Likes: 28 Liked 218 Times in 61 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? I used to own a pair of 68 Cougar GT-E's with the 427 engine. I had an all original red one that I sold to a fellow in San Antonio, TX a few years ago. The other one was the last 427 Ford product made. It was made in July, 68. The 427's were replaced by the 428CJ's in the GT-E starting in April, 68. However, my car was the only 427 made with ram air and it also had the two speed rear end. I think the rear end is what held the order up and let it go by with the 427 SO engine. I believe it was Alex (Moneymaker) that told me he knew a little history about my car and that it was a factory mule, maybe. Anyway, I sold it a few years ago for enough to buy a 69 drag pack GT-500 and thought I did well. Now, I really regret selling the Cougar although it is having a restoration done to it by someone that really appreciates what it is.

07-14-2009, 09:33 PM	#14
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Yes, it is '68 only, not 1967 as I posted originally. Also, it was a 390 factory rating and the 427 Cougar had the small Holley. I assume it was the small car and hydraulic cam that hampered performance, although 390 HP in a mid-weight pony car can't be much to sneeze at. Here's the carb specs per NHRA: 428 CJ Holley - 1686x1686/1375x1437 14 – (735 CFM) 427 Holley – 1563x1563/1250x1313 (600 CFM?) Interestingly, I see that NHRA lists this 427 as a Mustang option in 1968. While I do not believe that to be true, it is written. I would say the '68 427 Mustang / Cougar engine is due for some politickin' by some smart FOMOCO racers! How about something like the -75 HP drop the Pontiac 428 recently received? As I quickly review the specs, it looks like a 75 HP reduction is not out of line. Seriously.... Bill, how would you rate the performance of your Cougar GT-E against your GT-500? I would bet the GT500 is porkier and it shows. The GT-E's restored bring close to $100K and are a rare sight. Some more discussion on that 2-speed GT-E would be interesting. Something like that at BJ or other venue? The sky's the limit. I could see a car like that with a 427 and special rear being well north of $150K. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX Last edited by Jeff Lee; 07-14-2009 at 09:38 PM.

07-14-2009, 10:18 PM	#15
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? >>>"Interestingly, I see that NHRA lists this 427 as a Mustang option in 1968. While I do not believe that to be true, it is written." Jeff, II attended the 1971 NHRA Nationals at Indy, and took my camera (wonder of wonders.) The first car I took a picture of was a 1968 Mustang fastback Stocker that had a 427 (not a 428CJ) in it. Denny Reed was with me, and he raced a 428 '68 fastback at the time, and he wanted a copy of that picture because he said it was a rare option, and that was the only one he'd ever seen. Now, I can't find that picture. $#@^&*@^%$!!!!!! But, they DID exist.... a few, anyway. It was a hydraulic-lifter engine, according to Denny. Not a particularly good choice as a race car,, he said at the time. __________________ Bill

07-14-2009, 11:49 PM	#16
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Ford guys, I say 305 HP factor. This 427 compares favorably (I think) to the 1965 Dodge 426 street wedge. The 427 has a approximate .050" larger cam and a few CFM over the mopar. So the question would be: is it worth 37 CI over a 390 / 315 with all of the inherent advantages a 390 has? Obviously I'm bored... __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

07-15-2009, 04:34 AM	#17
Steves68Nova Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Rudy, AR Posts: 125 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Don't know how many of you guys have heard of Kevin Sudyam. Lives up Washington way and is a car collector. He is a crab fisherman like on TV, but not like on TV. He has a 1968 427 side oiler at http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gall...27+Side+Oiler/ The whole site is worth checking out. Some cars I remember reading about and drooling over when I was a kid. http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gallery2/main.php __________________ Steve Prado Rudy, AR S/ST4202 H/R 4203

07-15-2009, 06:08 AM	#18
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,495 Likes: 1,114 Liked 900 Times in 191 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? Here is a link to a Cougar article in the new Muscle Machines. I realize it's a '70 but there's some good info in there: http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/..._feature1.html

07-15-2009, 07:31 AM	#19
Bobby DiDomenico Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 924 Likes: 102 Liked 101 Times in 52 Posts	Re: 427 Cougar Eliminator? The whole site is worth checking out. Some cars I remember reading about and drooling over when I was a kid. http://corvettes-musclecars.com/gallery2/main.php[/QUOTE] Guys, thanks for the links, very nice sites. I recall seeing Don's Cougar for sale while talking with my friend Ed north west of Chicago. Really a period paint job. Doesn't Bucky Hess have those designs on his car? Not to stir the pot :-) but none of his BB 'Cudas have a glass hood? ;-) I'm going to attempt to get some better info from the guy about his 427.