Lack of contingency decals on cars????

THE LEGEND · 07-26-2009, 08:36 AM

Disdale,
You have a very nice looking and undoubtedly fast car. MY OPINION though you can see it every saturday night down at the Sonic. I really enjoy looking at show cars. I really enjoy watching all cars go down the track. My point being IF YOU EVER WIN A RACE that pays contingency you will regret not having the decals on it when you realize how much money you left on the table.
Chip Johnson

Terry Knott · 07-26-2009, 09:22 AM

Chip asked me at Budds Creek did I want a show car or a race car.I told him I wanted BOTH!!
I never understood the concept of having contingency stickers on a car for a company that doesn't pay,or even LIST for a national/divisional. Why give them the exposure?? Of course I'm pickier than most and my sticker layout was changed EVERY year. I have 8 stickers on my car now...sad...but that's all that's available to me.

Steve Williams · 07-26-2009, 09:30 AM

Chip,

You look at the winners purse and then add about $12,000.00 dollars on top and you have a nice payday. Nice car or not I am putting them on. My friend has won several national events in NHRA and they look at your car for contingency decals late in the day. I remember putting them on the car as late as 10 minutes before the final. If you race alot like you do, you are foolish not to put them on or you can afford to run alot out of your own pocket. I was at Rockingham when you won a div championship and wondered what that day would have paid if it was me, and it was by no means big dollars, but my calculations told me that would have paid for alot the next season. Best part is that the stickers come off if you don't like them. To each persons liking I suppose. But I say Show Me the Money!

Steve

I know that was getting off the thread, but todays contingency deals are lacking. Slow pay or no pay by some ruin it for the other manufacturers that do pay and pay quick (30 days). Ask anyone that races alot and wins occasionally, they can tell you who the deadbeats are. I agree with Terry on non posting manufacturers-no pay no sticker.

THE LEGEND · 07-26-2009, 10:23 AM

Steve,
I agree with You and Terry also. If they don't pay no need to have them on there. One thing nobody has mentioned, IHRA has less contingency this year but at least the ones posting pay in a timely manner. There are decals on my car that don't pay in IHRA but do in NHRA if I ever decide to run over there. There are also a few decals that don't pay contingency but the company was nice enough to discount the parts for me.
Chip

Michael Beard · 07-27-2009, 10:21 AM

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I remember putting them on the car as late as 10 minutes before the final.

That's a great way to lose ALL of your contingency money in IHRA, and in NHRA, those "slapped" decals are not supposed to be counted (I thought NHRA had the same "slap one, lose all" policy, but I did not see that as such in the '09 Rulebook). It's disrespectful to the sponsor at best, and just one more reason the sponsor can question themselves on "Why are we doing this?"

If you don't want to run decals, don't, but I believe it is in our sport's best interest to support the sponsors. Buy the products and run their decals (all the time, not just in the finals). There are a lot of companies who have been VERY good to the sportsman racer, and they deserve every bit of support and advertising we can give them in return.

Steve Williams · 07-27-2009, 03:01 PM

It's disrespectful to the sponsor at best, and just one more reason the sponsor can question themselves on "Why are we doing this?"

And supposed Contingency Sponsors that don't pay are respectful of the racer when they don't pay or are slow to pay? You pay full price for their part, send in your info for contingency, win a race with their sticker and they don't pay. They want their picture for the wall and the ND advertisement but don't pay. Sounds like a deal to me. Some Contingency Sponsors would be better served if they didn't post, that way we all know from the start that there are no smoke and mirrors games about phone calls and e-mails unanswered that generally makes us unhappy. The good guys will always be displayed on the vehicle, the bad guys are there for two rounds and photos. That Micheal is the way it works on this side of the tracks. Now what they do where you race, I couldn't tell. Something tells me that it happens there too. Michael I do agree that you should run them, but tell me that you have not had one that was slow to pay or no pay and that you didn't think "why the hell do I even put this on the car? They don't do anything for me even though they say they will".

Steve

Michael Beard · 07-27-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Williams

It's disrespectful to the sponsor at best, and just one more reason the sponsor can question themselves on "Why are we doing this?"

And supposed Contingency Sponsors that don't pay are respectful of the racer when they don't pay or are slow to pay?

Absolutely not. That doesn't have anything to do with slapping decals on the car right before the finals, which as previously noted per NHRA rules will get you no money for those late-applied decals, and in IHRA is illegal and make you forfeit ALL contingency awards. Bringing up the few and far between bad sponsors who don't honor their commitments is not an excuse for disrespecting the large number of great sponsors who play by the rules (and expect the racers they support to follow the rules as well).

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tell me that you have not had one that was slow to pay or no pay

I've had a couple of slow-payers, but I've never had a "no pay" situation. There are some sponsors who have added additional requirements over the years, or have a limited amount of years that they pay for a product, and that's fine. I've had some "expire", and I've taken those decals off the car. No fuss. -=shrug=-

In order to be paid, per *both* NHRA and IHRA rulebooks, contingency decals must be on the car prior to first round of eliminations, and be displayed throughout eliminations.

Steve Williams · 07-27-2009, 03:35 PM

I agree with you Michael. If the racers play to the rulebook in whatever sanction you race in, then the contingency sponsor should also hold up his end of the agreement. If not then the sanctioning body should hold them accountable. No ifs, no ands or no buts. No pay on their part should result in the termination of their contingency deal in the sanctioning body. Don't show up with your trailer full of overpriced goodies, just don't show up. It is a slap in the face when somebody tells you they appreciate your business and then foul up the relationship by being dishonest about when they mail a check or worse yet just plain don't pay. I hear you loud and clear on your points Michael. The reality is that just as we have a few bad apple racers, we also have a few bad apple contingency sponsors. Neither of these will ever change. It is what it is.

Steve

07-26-2009, 08:36 AM	#1
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Disdale, You have a very nice looking and undoubtedly fast car. MY OPINION though you can see it every saturday night down at the Sonic. I really enjoy looking at show cars. I really enjoy watching all cars go down the track. My point being IF YOU EVER WIN A RACE that pays contingency you will regret not having the decals on it when you realize how much money you left on the table. Chip Johnson

07-26-2009, 09:30 AM	#3
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Chip, You look at the winners purse and then add about $12,000.00 dollars on top and you have a nice payday. Nice car or not I am putting them on. My friend has won several national events in NHRA and they look at your car for contingency decals late in the day. I remember putting them on the car as late as 10 minutes before the final. If you race alot like you do, you are foolish not to put them on or you can afford to run alot out of your own pocket. I was at Rockingham when you won a div championship and wondered what that day would have paid if it was me, and it was by no means big dollars, but my calculations told me that would have paid for alot the next season. Best part is that the stickers come off if you don't like them. To each persons liking I suppose. But I say Show Me the Money! Steve I know that was getting off the thread, but todays contingency deals are lacking. Slow pay or no pay by some ruin it for the other manufacturers that do pay and pay quick (30 days). Ask anyone that races alot and wins occasionally, they can tell you who the deadbeats are. I agree with Terry on non posting manufacturers-no pay no sticker. Last edited by Steve Williams; 07-26-2009 at 09:33 AM.

07-26-2009, 10:23 AM	#4
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? Steve, I agree with You and Terry also. If they don't pay no need to have them on there. One thing nobody has mentioned, IHRA has less contingency this year but at least the ones posting pay in a timely manner. There are decals on my car that don't pay in IHRA but do in NHRA if I ever decide to run over there. There are also a few decals that don't pay contingency but the company was nice enough to discount the parts for me. Chip

07-27-2009, 03:01 PM	#6
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? It's disrespectful to the sponsor at best, and just one more reason the sponsor can question themselves on "Why are we doing this?" And supposed Contingency Sponsors that don't pay are respectful of the racer when they don't pay or are slow to pay? You pay full price for their part, send in your info for contingency, win a race with their sticker and they don't pay. They want their picture for the wall and the ND advertisement but don't pay. Sounds like a deal to me. Some Contingency Sponsors would be better served if they didn't post, that way we all know from the start that there are no smoke and mirrors games about phone calls and e-mails unanswered that generally makes us unhappy. The good guys will always be displayed on the vehicle, the bad guys are there for two rounds and photos. That Micheal is the way it works on this side of the tracks. Now what they do where you race, I couldn't tell. Something tells me that it happens there too. Michael I do agree that you should run them, but tell me that you have not had one that was slow to pay or no pay and that you didn't think "why the hell do I even put this on the car? They don't do anything for me even though they say they will". Steve

07-27-2009, 03:35 PM	#8
Steve Williams Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 352 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of contingency decals on cars???? I agree with you Michael. If the racers play to the rulebook in whatever sanction you race in, then the contingency sponsor should also hold up his end of the agreement. If not then the sanctioning body should hold them accountable. No ifs, no ands or no buts. No pay on their part should result in the termination of their contingency deal in the sanctioning body. Don't show up with your trailer full of overpriced goodies, just don't show up. It is a slap in the face when somebody tells you they appreciate your business and then foul up the relationship by being dishonest about when they mail a check or worse yet just plain don't pay. I hear you loud and clear on your points Michael. The reality is that just as we have a few bad apple racers, we also have a few bad apple contingency sponsors. Neither of these will ever change. It is what it is. Steve