Rumors from Sonoma.............

west coast · 07-27-2009, 02:21 PM

A combo race would just kill car counts because it would turn into a Superstock race because they have the advantage of a transbrake with adjustable buttons, and have a better finish line view. Some can convert to SS but would be a duck hunt on the qualifing sheet for whatever class they are running. Then what about the people who run both classes they will not be happy touring sportsman. This would be like combine all of the ninety cars the dragster would dominate and cause lower car counts. Think about it this would become true. Lets start that rumor.

Chuck Porter · 07-27-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by west coast

A combo race would just kill car counts because it would turn into a Superstock race because they have the advantage of a transbrake with adjustable buttons, and have a better finish line view. Some can convert to SS but would be a duck hunt on the qualifing sheet for whatever class they are running. Then what about the people who run both classes they will not be happy touring sportsman. This would be like combine all of the ninety cars the dragster would dominate and cause lower car counts. Think about it this would become true. Lets start that rumor.

I have a little bit of experience with Combo races and I can't say there has been a disproportionate number of Super Stockers that win. I think it is pretty even and perhaps leaning towards more stockers in the final round. It is true a faster SS car has a better finish line view so does a fast stocker. Personally I think I can hold my own foot braking against a trans brake car. I can change my leave and move my reaction time around as most of us can. The SS cars still have to let go of the button on time. I race against trans brake cars most of the time and I see their reaction times on my time slip and not seeing any advantage.

I can't say I would be in favor of such a situation as this rumor suggests. I think Combo's have their place and that's not at the National or Divisional level. But for now it is just an unfounded rumor only and until its a fact, personally I'm not going to fret about it.

Mike Carr · 07-27-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by west coast

A combo race would just kill car counts because it would turn into a Superstock race because they have the advantage of a transbrake with adjustable buttons, and have a better finish line view.

This argument comes up from time to tim in regards to S/SS combos. As a person who has organized and put on many S/SS races since 1996, here are some statistics. I've done sixteen races in Hagerstown MD since '96. In the past sixteen events, Stockers have taken 20 of 32 final rounds spots, winning ten times, including eight straight events from 1998 through 2004 (spring and fall races). In my Tri State S/SS series, the three years we did season-long points series, Stockers won all three ( Tom Losket '97, Jeff Ross '99 and Steve Klacik '00). These are stats I can recall off the top of my head. I could look up more, but I think this proves the point that Stockers can more than hold their own in S/SS combo races.

Ed Fernandez · 07-27-2009, 07:18 PM

Stock is Stock-SS is SS.DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
No conformation they'll do it but if they do that's the end of class racing.

442OLDS · 07-27-2009, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Stock is Stock-SS is SS.DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
No conformation they'll do it but if they do that's the end of class racing.

The END of class racing will be when a SS/AH has to run a T/SA HEADS UP.Then,I would say that its over.Until then,if thats what they have to do,so be it.
About the only Super Stock/Stock combo in Division 3 is at the St Louis National Open in April.Almost every year,a STOCKER seems to win it!

Ed Fernandez · 07-27-2009, 09:43 PM

Earlier this year at Mopars at Englishtown we had a S/SS/Nostalgia SS race.I had to run a car dialed
9.30 in the final.Well he was going 155 mph and I was going 95.Luckily I guessed right on my dial and won.But I hope that's the last time I have to see a car going past me at 60 mph.I have no cage,fire
jacket,pants.What if I get a hero who decides to lock 'em up going that fast?Remember NHRA's
motto "Dedicated to safety"?
S/SS combos are an alternative to divisionals and national events.If they ran combos at nationals why
bother to go through the trouble of having a legal car,there will be way less heads up races in that scenario.Like I said good bye to S/SS.Glorified (read hi dollar) bracket racing.
And you wouldn't have to lose sleep over not getting HP off your oldsmobile.

Jack Matyas · 07-28-2009, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Stock is Stock-SS is SS.DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
No conformation they'll do it but if they do that's the end of class racing.

Ed -- You must be feeling better as you're getting back to your normal gloom and doom routine..........we all thought Stock was done in the Sixties when "they" made us take out our Hydro - Matics and replace them with Powerglides.........and yet we're still here .And again when they created Pure Stock from Junior Stock we thought it was the end ...and yet.....I could go on and on ........all this over a rumor .Welcome back Ed............

07-28-2009, 07:38 AM

Why don't we just downsize ourselves out of existence, that will fix it for sure... Here’s one for you, why don’t we take S/SS/Comp/Supers and just combine them into an all run dial your own category? We can institute buy-backs and all will be peachy in the world… There will be no tech so if you want to run 50 cubic inches over or the latest noname aluminum heads go for it will all be legal including my G/SA Boss 429 Pinto wagon… See how easy, you can pick your own class too!

All I ever hear is doom and gloom and not one good suggestion for getting car counts up or fixing the obvious problems. Trying to please S/SS racers is like trying to herd cats. You guys are in fact your own worst enemy when it comes to Glendora. Every negative stereotype they have about you all is reinforced here everyday all day long.

"You can't fix stupid" - Larry Morgan...

Have a glorious day, be well...
Jackie McCracken

X-TECH MAN · 07-28-2009, 10:02 AM

All I ever hear is doom and gloom and not one good suggestion for getting car counts up or fixing the obvious problems. Trying to please S/SS racers is like trying to herd cats. You guys are in fact your own worst enemy when it comes to Glendora. Every negative stereotype they have about you all is reinforced here everyday all day long.

"You can't fix stupid" - Larry Morgan...

Have a glorious day, be well...
Jackie McCracken[/QUOTE]

This just about says it all. Its one reason I put the idea of starting a Stock, Super Stock association and a Class Nationals 2 with Alex that I mentioned earlier this year on hold. To many disgruntled racers on the forum.

07-28-2009, 09:40 PM

This just about says it all. Its one reason I put the idea of starting a Stock, Super Stock association and a Class Nationals 2 with Alex that I mentioned earlier this year on hold. To many disgruntled racers on the forum.[/QUOTE]

Disgruntled isn't even the half of it. Blind stupidity and self interest is the real problem. There is no such thing as working together to save a way of racing that is more than just racing, it is a heritage and a philosophy about what it means to have the fastest G/Stock Automatic Boss 429 Pinto wagon on earth on a given day. That is all gone the way of pinks (what a joke) and bracket racing (even bigger joke) and it is all coming to a national event near you soon and the posts in this thread are the proof but the posters here all (except a few) “think they are saving racing”, my ***!… They are part of the problem not the solution!

I hear so many people scream that we need more “heads up” runs but as soon as they are faced with the opportunity to really do so the whining and bickering and sniveling starts about “so and so’s bla bla bla” and “it ain’t fair, bla bla bla” and “he’s got a yada yada yada”… if you don’t like the heat stay out of the fry’n pan and stay at your Saturday night track and support their bracket program where you belong! Need any proof? Look at where Top Stock is today!

All most all of this bickering and “we’re gona change the world” crap comes from a bunch of “newbie’s” and “wannabe’s” that think they world needs to do what they want because that is the way mommy raised them, they always got what they wanted and if they didn’t they cried and sniveled and then if they didn’t get what they wanted they cried and sniveled louder until mommy gave in. Most of the rest of them think that if they go buy every state of the art “trick of the week part” and spend more money than everybody else they should automatically be the fastest car out there and if they ain’t then everybody that is faster has to be cheating and the ones that ain’t just ain’t cheating enough! Baaa whaaaa… it’s not fair!! These guys are a bunch of lazy wimps that has had everything they have handed to them, they have never had to work for anything in their lives and they ain’t about to do it now especially not when they can whine and snivel about it…

“You can tell who is fast and who isn’t by how many fishing poles they have in the trailer” – John Force (paraphrased)

Jackie McCracken

07-27-2009, 02:21 PM	#1
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 609 Likes: 12 Liked 223 Times in 73 Posts	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. A combo race would just kill car counts because it would turn into a Superstock race because they have the advantage of a transbrake with adjustable buttons, and have a better finish line view. Some can convert to SS but would be a duck hunt on the qualifing sheet for whatever class they are running. Then what about the people who run both classes they will not be happy touring sportsman. This would be like combine all of the ninety cars the dragster would dominate and cause lower car counts. Think about it this would become true. Lets start that rumor.

07-27-2009, 07:18 PM	#4
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. Stock is Stock-SS is SS.DUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. No conformation they'll do it but if they do that's the end of class racing. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

07-27-2009, 09:43 PM	#6
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. Earlier this year at Mopars at Englishtown we had a S/SS/Nostalgia SS race.I had to run a car dialed 9.30 in the final.Well he was going 155 mph and I was going 95.Luckily I guessed right on my dial and won.But I hope that's the last time I have to see a car going past me at 60 mph.I have no cage,fire jacket,pants.What if I get a hero who decides to lock 'em up going that fast?Remember NHRA's motto "Dedicated to safety"? S/SS combos are an alternative to divisionals and national events.If they ran combos at nationals why bother to go through the trouble of having a legal car,there will be way less heads up races in that scenario.Like I said good bye to S/SS.Glorified (read hi dollar) bracket racing. And you wouldn't have to lose sleep over not getting HP off your oldsmobile. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

07-28-2009, 07:38 AM	#8
Jackie McCracken Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. Why don't we just downsize ourselves out of existence, that will fix it for sure... Here’s one for you, why don’t we take S/SS/Comp/Supers and just combine them into an all run dial your own category? We can institute buy-backs and all will be peachy in the world… There will be no tech so if you want to run 50 cubic inches over or the latest noname aluminum heads go for it will all be legal including my G/SA Boss 429 Pinto wagon… See how easy, you can pick your own class too! All I ever hear is doom and gloom and not one good suggestion for getting car counts up or fixing the obvious problems. Trying to please S/SS racers is like trying to herd cats. You guys are in fact your own worst enemy when it comes to Glendora. Every negative stereotype they have about you all is reinforced here everyday all day long. "You can't fix stupid" - Larry Morgan... Have a glorious day, be well... Jackie McCracken

07-28-2009, 10:02 AM	#9
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. All I ever hear is doom and gloom and not one good suggestion for getting car counts up or fixing the obvious problems. Trying to please S/SS racers is like trying to herd cats. You guys are in fact your own worst enemy when it comes to Glendora. Every negative stereotype they have about you all is reinforced here everyday all day long. "You can't fix stupid" - Larry Morgan... Have a glorious day, be well... Jackie McCracken[/QUOTE] This just about says it all. Its one reason I put the idea of starting a Stock, Super Stock association and a Class Nationals 2 with Alex that I mentioned earlier this year on hold. To many disgruntled racers on the forum.

07-28-2009, 09:40 PM	#10
Jackie McCracken Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Rumors from Sonoma............. This just about says it all. Its one reason I put the idea of starting a Stock, Super Stock association and a Class Nationals 2 with Alex that I mentioned earlier this year on hold. To many disgruntled racers on the forum.[/QUOTE] Disgruntled isn't even the half of it. Blind stupidity and self interest is the real problem. There is no such thing as working together to save a way of racing that is more than just racing, it is a heritage and a philosophy about what it means to have the fastest G/Stock Automatic Boss 429 Pinto wagon on earth on a given day. That is all gone the way of pinks (what a joke) and bracket racing (even bigger joke) and it is all coming to a national event near you soon and the posts in this thread are the proof but the posters here all (except a few) “think they are saving racing”, my ***!… They are part of the problem not the solution! I hear so many people scream that we need more “heads up” runs but as soon as they are faced with the opportunity to really do so the whining and bickering and sniveling starts about “so and so’s bla bla bla” and “it ain’t fair, bla bla bla” and “he’s got a yada yada yada”… if you don’t like the heat stay out of the fry’n pan and stay at your Saturday night track and support their bracket program where you belong! Need any proof? Look at where Top Stock is today! All most all of this bickering and “we’re gona change the world” crap comes from a bunch of “newbie’s” and “wannabe’s” that think they world needs to do what they want because that is the way mommy raised them, they always got what they wanted and if they didn’t they cried and sniveled and then if they didn’t get what they wanted they cried and sniveled louder until mommy gave in. Most of the rest of them think that if they go buy every state of the art “trick of the week part” and spend more money than everybody else they should automatically be the fastest car out there and if they ain’t then everybody that is faster has to be cheating and the ones that ain’t just ain’t cheating enough! Baaa whaaaa… it’s not fair!! These guys are a bunch of lazy wimps that has had everything they have handed to them, they have never had to work for anything in their lives and they ain’t about to do it now especially not when they can whine and snivel about it… “You can tell who is fast and who isn’t by how many fishing poles they have in the trailer” – John Force (paraphrased) Jackie McCracken