D/Dart in Stock

Bob Pagano · 08-17-2009, 07:38 AM

Yes for real, Greg runs his and there are a few other 63 alum cars that run and a few in garages like Jerry Stein's

Ken Haase · 08-17-2009, 10:35 AM

Bob, the number you posted is three hundred-twenty thousand. Did you mean $32,000 by any chance?

Bob Pagano · 08-17-2009, 12:04 PM

Oops, yea 32000. but the car was real ruff, a good comparison would be Dan Dvorak's 63 Dodge Alum car for sale at 79000. and is perfect.

Paul Ceasrine · 09-12-2009, 03:47 AM

I thought you guys were talking about D-Darts.The only difference between a 273 Hi-Po (235 HP) and the 273/275 HP (D-Dart)was the camshaft (Cam-Craft .495/.505 lift / 284 duration), and Racer Brown 250 lb. ratedvalve springs.The carburetor was a Holley 600 cfm-rated, vacuum secondary unit, as opposed to theCarter 500-cfm AFB unit on the 235 HP rated engine. To allow for the Holley carb butterflies to open, the stock cast iron intake wasmodified (a free-breathing flow intake as Chrysler put it), the throat openings were bored out an additional 3/16".It really doesn't sound like a 40 HP improvement over the 273/235 HP Commando.I think the NHRA currently rates the 273/235 HP at (220 HP). As someone posted earlier, the D-Dart engine should be re-rated.Not that it would matter, because who in the hell would try to run this car in stock class, and be competitive. Not at 275 HP.Paul (Former 273/235 HP racer)

Eddie Rezac · 09-12-2009, 12:16 PM

You guys forgot, Rod Kisters, famous 1960 Pontiac stocker, "BIG IRON", out of Scotts Bluff Nebraska. It was a daul four barrel 421 " 4 speed car.
Eddie Rezac

X-TECH MAN · 09-13-2009, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eddie Rezac

You guys forgot, Rod Kisters, famous 1960 Pontiac stocker, "BIG IRON", out of Scotts Bluff Nebraska. It was a daul four barrel 421 " 4 speed car.
Eddie Rezac

I believe Rods 1960 Pontiac was a 389 SD with 3 X 2's like Dick Hills 1960 Pontiac out of Penn. The 421 SD with 2 X 4's didnt come out until late 1961 and was run at the 1961 Nationals as O/SS. Anyone have some different info?

Paul Ceasrine · 09-25-2009, 07:44 PM

D-Dart (D/Stock) Info from 1966.
D/S Class/Factor 10.60 - 11.29
D/S NHRA record...12.98 (February 1966)

D-Dart ran in C/Stock in 1967 (Classes bumped up one, by NHRA)
D-Dart ran in F/Stock in 1968
D-Dart ran in G/Stock in 1969 thru 1971

HP rating never re-factored. NHRA did not have any records of listed
competitors in registry for 66' 273/275hp Darts. For G/Stock or
SuperStock/J.

Successful D-Dart racers, Ted Spehar "Spehars Automotive" 66' - 67'
and Bob Banning "Little Ramchargers" w/Dave Reitz driving, 66' - 67'.
Both hit 12.90's in early-mid 67'.

Time to re-factor.

dart4forte · 10-08-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

I thought you guys were talking about D-Darts.The only difference between a 273 Hi-Po (235 HP) and the 273/275 HP (D-Dart)was the camshaft (Cam-Craft .495/.505 lift / 284 duration), and Racer Brown 250 lb. ratedvalve springs.The carburetor was a Holley 600 cfm-rated, vacuum secondary unit, as opposed to theCarter 500-cfm AFB unit on the 235 HP rated engine. To allow for the Holley carb butterflies to open, the stock cast iron intake wasmodified (a free-breathing flow intake as Chrysler put it), the throat openings were bored out an additional 3/16".It really doesn't sound like a 40 HP improvement over the 273/235 HP Commando.I think the NHRA currently rates the 273/235 HP at (220 HP). As someone posted earlier, the D-Dart engine should be re-rated.Not that it would matter, because who in the hell would try to run this car in stock class, and be competitive. Not at 275 HP.Paul (Former 273/235 HP racer)

Paul,

I agree except the Holley was a 4160, list 3778 rated at 750 cfm. This is the carb off the 65 race hemi.. Also, didn't the motors have a spacer for the butterflies to clear?

Paul Ceasrine · 10-09-2009, 06:00 PM

W J,
Yes this is rally a D-Dart thread.
But since you brought the 273 Commando's up. Yes they could wind.
Didn't want to bring this up on this thread. But back in May 1968,
my father bought my mother a 67' Barracuda Fastback, yes with the
273 Commando, 4-speed with the console. Yellow, with black interior.
It was equipped with the Performance Group. HD rear-suspension,
HD torsion bars, Front Sway-bar. Sure-Grip 3.23 Posi.
6.95" x 14" white walls with deluxe wheel covers. Yes with that special singl-exhaust with the chrome-tipped resonator. No, it was not a Formula-S.
Cost, $2735, from McNulty Chrysler-Plymouth, Carmel, New York
Only 4000 miles on it. The sales managers wife didn't like the
4-speed. Either did my mother, it was a horrible long-throw
Inland shifter, with the reverse trigger (equipped with a rubber-band
tension thread). A real pain, when utilized with the console.
Paul

Paul Ceasrine · 10-09-2009, 06:09 PM

W J,
June 1968, my father takes my mothers car to Dover Drag Strip,
classed in J/Stock. Without her knowledge, of course

With the air cleaner on (Chrome unit, w/Commando lettering), spare tire in trunk and no air adjustment for the tires, ran an honest 16.35.
First time out won class trophy. Beat out a couple of 66' 289/225Hp
Mustangs, a 68' 290/220HP Javelin and a 65' Chevelle Malibu convertible 327/250 HP.
Thats all it took.
Paul

08-17-2009, 07:38 AM	#1
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 248 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock Yes for real, Greg runs his and there are a few other 63 alum cars that run and a few in garages like Jerry Stein's __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

08-17-2009, 10:35 AM	#2
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: D/Dart in Stock Bob, the number you posted is three hundred-twenty thousand. Did you mean $32,000 by any chance?

08-17-2009, 12:04 PM	#3
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 248 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock Oops, yea 32000. but the car was real ruff, a good comparison would be Dan Dvorak's 63 Dodge Alum car for sale at 79000. and is perfect. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

09-12-2009, 03:47 AM	#4
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock I thought you guys were talking about D-Darts.The only difference between a 273 Hi-Po (235 HP) and the 273/275 HP (D-Dart)was the camshaft (Cam-Craft .495/.505 lift / 284 duration), and Racer Brown 250 lb. ratedvalve springs.The carburetor was a Holley 600 cfm-rated, vacuum secondary unit, as opposed to theCarter 500-cfm AFB unit on the 235 HP rated engine. To allow for the Holley carb butterflies to open, the stock cast iron intake wasmodified (a free-breathing flow intake as Chrysler put it), the throat openings were bored out an additional 3/16".It really doesn't sound like a 40 HP improvement over the 273/235 HP Commando.I think the NHRA currently rates the 273/235 HP at (220 HP). As someone posted earlier, the D-Dart engine should be re-rated.Not that it would matter, because who in the hell would try to run this car in stock class, and be competitive. Not at 275 HP.Paul (Former 273/235 HP racer)

09-12-2009, 12:16 PM	#5
Eddie Rezac Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 155 Likes: 11 Liked 63 Times in 7 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock You guys forgot, Rod Kisters, famous 1960 Pontiac stocker, "BIG IRON", out of Scotts Bluff Nebraska. It was a daul four barrel 421 " 4 speed car. Eddie Rezac

09-25-2009, 07:44 PM	#7
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock D-Dart (D/Stock) Info from 1966. D/S Class/Factor 10.60 - 11.29 D/S NHRA record...12.98 (February 1966) D-Dart ran in C/Stock in 1967 (Classes bumped up one, by NHRA) D-Dart ran in F/Stock in 1968 D-Dart ran in G/Stock in 1969 thru 1971 HP rating never re-factored. NHRA did not have any records of listed competitors in registry for 66' 273/275hp Darts. For G/Stock or SuperStock/J. Successful D-Dart racers, Ted Spehar "Spehars Automotive" 66' - 67' and Bob Banning "Little Ramchargers" w/Dave Reitz driving, 66' - 67'. Both hit 12.90's in early-mid 67'. Time to re-factor.

10-09-2009, 06:00 PM	#9
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock W J, Yes this is rally a D-Dart thread. But since you brought the 273 Commando's up. Yes they could wind. Didn't want to bring this up on this thread. But back in May 1968, my father bought my mother a 67' Barracuda Fastback, yes with the 273 Commando, 4-speed with the console. Yellow, with black interior. It was equipped with the Performance Group. HD rear-suspension, HD torsion bars, Front Sway-bar. Sure-Grip 3.23 Posi. 6.95" x 14" white walls with deluxe wheel covers. Yes with that special singl-exhaust with the chrome-tipped resonator. No, it was not a Formula-S. Cost, $2735, from McNulty Chrysler-Plymouth, Carmel, New York Only 4000 miles on it. The sales managers wife didn't like the 4-speed. Either did my mother, it was a horrible long-throw Inland shifter, with the reverse trigger (equipped with a rubber-band tension thread). A real pain, when utilized with the console. Paul

10-09-2009, 06:09 PM	#10
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: D/Dart in Stock W J, June 1968, my father takes my mothers car to Dover Drag Strip, classed in J/Stock. Without her knowledge, of course With the air cleaner on (Chrome unit, w/Commando lettering), spare tire in trunk and no air adjustment for the tires, ran an honest 16.35. First time out won class trophy. Beat out a couple of 66' 289/225Hp Mustangs, a 68' 290/220HP Javelin and a 65' Chevelle Malibu convertible 327/250 HP. Thats all it took. Paul