New rules for 2010?

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by GTX JOHN

If you dropped .5 off the index the bottom 1/3 of the car at Bakersfield would not been able to compete. Neither of my kids would have ever built a stocker if the index was faster. A lot of us that race simply can't afford to build a $30,000. stocker , but we still love to race! It is the hoursepower factors and their quirks that make a lot of the reason why! Example: My .7 under stocker is at 314 HP in Super Stock it is 283 HP therefor it runs .4 to .5 under with no changes

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GTX JOHN-

Stock eliminator wasn't supposed to be easy. You have to work on your combo. Being smart is as much of a reason for being fast as having a lot of money. Most, usually don't give credit for a racer working smart, it's always how much money they spent. You answered one of my questions I was eluding too. Why should a Stocker be able to qualify for Superstock?

Maybe, just reduce the Superstock indexes .50?

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

GTX JOHN-

Stock eliminator wasn't supposed to be easy. You have to work on your combo. Being smart is as much of a reason for being fast as having a lot of money. Most, usually don't give credit for a racer working smart, it's always how much money they spent. You answered one of my questions I was eluding too. Why should a Stocker be able to qualify for Superstock?

Maybe, just reduce the Superstock indexes .50?

Sean,

Wouldn't you agree that the reason why most stockers run that far under the super stock index is because of the loosening of the rules and the amount of people who run heads that are actually ported?

[Sean Cour]

Originally Posted by Sean Kennedy

Sean,

Wouldn't you agree that the reason why most stockers run that far under the super stock index is because of the loosening of the rules and the amount of people who run heads that are actually ported?

Too agree, or not. That should have nothing to do with all of the performance gimmees that have been dealt down to the racer over the years. If NHRA is going to change rules, or allow things that shouldn't be allowed, then knock .50 off the indexes. Pretty simple!

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Sean Cour

Too agree, or not. That should have nothing to do with all of the performance gimmees that have been dealt down to the racer over the years. If NHRA is going to change rules, or allow things that shouldn't be allowed, then knock .50 off the indexes. Pretty simple!

Fair enough. But it does hurt a lot of people.

But following that same line of logic... if we are going to allow head porting in stock (let's be honest, it is allowed regardless of what the rules say) why not just kill the class and make everyone run super stock?

How about ... if you lift at 1000 and still run 1.20 or more under your index you get an automatic HP hit? That'll never happen, because it's the fast guys that get hurt.

I like the idea of automatic AHFS at 1.00 under, but it'll never happen. And even if it did, all those fast guys will still lift early... they just lift at half track instead of 1000ft.

Is there a way we can do this without screwing over the slow guys? Or are we just not welcome in stock? I have been told that before...... But I don't think you feel that way.

It's not because I'm not trying. Last year when we brought out the new motor it was .05 over the index. The last time I ran in stock, at the national event, it was going .30 under. It just didn't show... I was running in F, and can't get the car below G weight.

And not just the slow guys, it makes it harder for anyone to get into the class and get their feet wet. That is actually a concern to me because fields are shrinking not growing. I'm afraid by the time I have the dollars and experience to build something fast I won't have very many guys left to race against. I just feel like we need to be keeping this an entry level class. I know I'm probably the only one, but I'd be in favor of having a few import classes so we could get some new blood into the class. I don't want to watch the impending slow death of stock eliminator, but it's pretty much what is happening right before our eyes.

And isn't this a change? I thought in that other thread everyone was against changing anything.

[Phillip marvetz]

[QUOTE=Sean Kennedy;142085]Fair enough. But it does hurt a lot of people.

But following that same line of logic... if we are going to allow head porting in stock (let's be honest, it is allowed regardless of what the rules say) why not just kill the class and make everyone run super stock?

How about ... if you lift at 1000 and still run 1.20 or more under your index you get an automatic HP hit? That'll never happen, because it's the fast guys that get hurt.

I like the idea of automatic AHFS at 1.00 under, but it'll never happen. And even if it did, all those fast guys will still lift early... they just lift at half track instead of 1000ft.

Is there a way we can do this without screwing over the slow guys? Or are we just not welcome in stock? I have been told that before...... But I don't think you feel that way.

It's not because I'm not trying. Last year when we brought out the new motor it was .05 over the index. The last time I ran in stock, at the national event, it was going .30 under. It just didn't show... I was running in F, and can't get the car below G weight.

And not just the slow guys, it makes it harder for anyone to get into the class and get their feet wet. That is actually a concern to me because fields are shrinking not growing. I'm afraid by the time I have the dollars and experience to build something fast I won't have very many guys left to race against. I just feel like we need to be keeping this an entry level class. I know I'm probably the only one, but I'd be in favor of having a few import classes so we could get some new blood into the class. I don't want to watch the impending slow death of stock eliminator, but it's pretty much what is happening right before our eyes.



So Sean, now who's paranoid? Don't worry little buddy by the time you have enough money to go racing again you'll be to old to cut a light anyway. And why the hell would you run F if you can't even make the lower end of G weight? Maybe you need to put those good heads back on............

[Sean Kennedy]

Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

So Sean, now who's paranoid? Don't worry little buddy by the time you have enough money to go racing again you'll be to old to cut a light anyway. And why the hell would you run F if you can't even make the lower end of G weight? Maybe you need to put those good heads back on............

Thanks for being so complimentary Phil.....

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

It looked like there were going to be more G and H cars, so I can F. I'm so far down the latter it's not like it makes a difference whether I run .1 under or .30 under. So mathematical odds of getting a heads up would be less.

It turned out not to really matter, there were 2 cars faster than me in all three classes. But none the less, basic math Phil. The less cars in your class the less chance of a heads up.

The 'good' heads were not legal. As in blatantly not legal. The person who Steve Kelly had rebuild the motor did some grinding in the ports..... So they are junk for stock eliminator. The car ran good with them, we went .6 under with that setup, so believe me I'd love to use them.

[Phillip marvetz]

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

You got me there little fella

[Mark Faul]

If NHRA would allow all the classes at all the national events there would be no need for stockers to run ss.

[Sean Cour]

Mark-

If I was independantly wealthy like you, then I could afford to attend all National events. lol!

[Mark Faul]

Sean, I think you mean if you were a dumba$$ like me! With no regards to the value of a dollar! LOL