New rules for 2010? - Page 5

Phillip marvetz · 09-22-2009, 11:22 PM

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

You got me there little fella

Sean Kennedy · 09-22-2009, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Phillip marvetz

Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function.

You got me there little fella

Check your PM's, bud.

X-TECH MAN · 09-23-2009, 04:24 AM

Going back to using class winners ONLY and inspect each one in teardown (let the GOOD tech guys do their jobs) for the eliminator would cure all this BS of shutting off at 1000 ft. It would also make the AHFS system work like it should especially if the trigger was brought down to .8 under. Get rid of that farthest under qualifyer and a lot of the bogus and high dollar stuff will start to go away. Thats the way it was done for years until the slow guys whined. If you didnt win class you got to watch on Sunday.

randy wilson · 09-23-2009, 05:10 AM

it does not matter if they raise the index 2 seconds or lower it 5 seconds, it is still just a bracket race. and if you run someone in your exact class, and run 3 seconds under or 5 seconds over the car with the power wins. i love superstock, but it has lost the mystique. we have no real fan base like they had in the 70s.

Jim Bailey · 09-23-2009, 05:49 AM

Gump, I don't have a problem with any of the new cars. As long as the car can be purchased at the dealer, titled, and legally driven home. Then and only then should the car be eligible to be factored and compete as a Stocker. Stevie Wonder can tell the difference between a Drag Pac Challenger and a Showroom Challenger, or a New Showroom Mustang and a New Cobra Jet. I'm talking about "Purpose Built Factory Racecars". They are Superstockers.. period.. end. If you're gonna let them in stock, give them their own class or limit them to AA. I'll take my lumps (already have) and hope that the AHFS works, but wait for the whinning when the New Challenger starts showing up with the other "approved" engine combos and it infiltrates the lower classes....JB

Bob Pagano · 09-23-2009, 08:10 AM

Jim is right on they are SS cars. The drag pak cars have the rear moved up 1/2 inch just like the showroom cars,,,,,,NOT, so they must be SS not to mention the intakes and alum oil pans OH I said not to mention that. Stock my a..

Casey Miles · 09-23-2009, 08:46 AM

I know a way to factor all the cars, make them use the stock valve spring pressures and you'll see them all slow down. No need to refactor anyone engine, it'll be done on it's own.

Casey Miles
248H

Michael Beard · 09-23-2009, 09:53 AM

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It looked like there were going to be more G and H cars, so I can F. I'm so far down the latter it's not like it makes a difference whether I run .1 under or .30 under. So mathematical odds of getting a heads up would be less.

Which reminds me of another suggestion I've made before: Each class should have a minimum AND maximum weight. If you're running heavy enough to run the next class, then you should be required to run that class. This is actually born out by the rulebook labeling classes as 10.00 - 10.49, 10.50 - 10.99, etc... NOT 10.00 and up, 10.50 and up, etc.

Consider:
- Min & Max weights
- combined classes (1.0 weight breaks, sticks & autos, or both)
Results in:
- cars no longer running 200lbs heavy
- more heads-up runs
- cars will quickly factor themselves to realistic numbers
- guys can still get started in Stock relatively easily with the "soft" indexes, but are incentivized to make their cars faster.

In all fairness, again, I'm not campaigning for these things... just academic discussion. Doesn't bother me either way if they adopt these things or not. It *would* bother me if they dropped all the indexes .50, as it effectively legislates cars out that are not hurting anything (In fact, quite the opposite... easy pickin's, right?)

Billy Nees · 09-23-2009, 10:54 AM

Michael, as a point in fact, some of the racers that were in "teardown" this past weekend at Z-Max were asked how much ballast they were carrying and where it was located. They were then given a good looking over. Fact finding mission?

Dick Butler · 09-23-2009, 11:08 AM

One year of No Break out Eliminations at National Events would Make for fast correction of HP factors when combined with a 1.00 under Monday Trigger. THIS WOULD FIX THE WEAK HP CARS>
PAY BIGGER money for eliminator to make it worth the work to run and win also.

09-22-2009, 11:22 PM	#41
Phillip marvetz Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Lynden ,WA Posts: 820 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? Ed and Phil, you guys need to learn how to use the QUOTE function. You got me there little fella

09-23-2009, 04:24 AM	#43
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? Going back to using class winners ONLY and inspect each one in teardown (let the GOOD tech guys do their jobs) for the eliminator would cure all this BS of shutting off at 1000 ft. It would also make the AHFS system work like it should especially if the trigger was brought down to .8 under. Get rid of that farthest under qualifyer and a lot of the bogus and high dollar stuff will start to go away. Thats the way it was done for years until the slow guys whined. If you didnt win class you got to watch on Sunday.

09-23-2009, 05:10 AM	#44
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 22 Times in 22 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? it does not matter if they raise the index 2 seconds or lower it 5 seconds, it is still just a bracket race. and if you run someone in your exact class, and run 3 seconds under or 5 seconds over the car with the power wins. i love superstock, but it has lost the mystique. we have no real fan base like they had in the 70s. __________________ don,t have one

09-23-2009, 05:49 AM	#45
Jim Bailey Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 674 Likes: 15 Liked 584 Times in 94 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? Gump, I don't have a problem with any of the new cars. As long as the car can be purchased at the dealer, titled, and legally driven home. Then and only then should the car be eligible to be factored and compete as a Stocker. Stevie Wonder can tell the difference between a Drag Pac Challenger and a Showroom Challenger, or a New Showroom Mustang and a New Cobra Jet. I'm talking about "Purpose Built Factory Racecars". They are Superstockers.. period.. end. If you're gonna let them in stock, give them their own class or limit them to AA. I'll take my lumps (already have) and hope that the AHFS works, but wait for the whinning when the New Challenger starts showing up with the other "approved" engine combos and it infiltrates the lower classes....JB

09-23-2009, 08:10 AM	#46
Bob Pagano VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New Holland, PA Mooresville,NC Posts: 1,163 Likes: 243 Liked 16 Times in 11 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? Jim is right on they are SS cars. The drag pak cars have the rear moved up 1/2 inch just like the showroom cars,,,,,,NOT, so they must be SS not to mention the intakes and alum oil pans OH I said not to mention that. Stock my a.. __________________ Bob Pagano A/SA

09-23-2009, 08:46 AM	#47
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 706 Likes: 128 Liked 508 Times in 92 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? I know a way to factor all the cars, make them use the stock valve spring pressures and you'll see them all slow down. No need to refactor anyone engine, it'll be done on it's own. Casey Miles 248H

09-23-2009, 10:54 AM	#49
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,504 Likes: 3,606 Liked 7,814 Times in 1,748 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? Michael, as a point in fact, some of the racers that were in "teardown" this past weekend at Z-Max were asked how much ballast they were carrying and where it was located. They were then given a good looking over. Fact finding mission? __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

09-23-2009, 11:08 AM	#50
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: New rules for 2010? One year of No Break out Eliminations at National Events would Make for fast correction of HP factors when combined with a 1.00 under Monday Trigger. THIS WOULD FIX THE WEAK HP CARS> PAY BIGGER money for eliminator to make it worth the work to run and win also. Last edited by Dick Butler; 09-23-2009 at 11:11 AM.