Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed

Strittan · 10-28-2009, 05:55 AM

I may have got things wrong, but I thought drag racers did not use the clutch while shifting. I thought that's why it seems they're pulling the stick so damn hard, and as mentioned it doesn't look like the guy in that Nova (or any other guy I've watched for that matter) moves his leg at all.

I get what you're saying Jeff, but I think you should see at least a trace of movement if he used the clutch.

I may still be wrong though...

Harry 6674 · 10-28-2009, 09:41 AM

I know its not recommened but some people still shift against the rev limiter.

Aaron Keown · 10-28-2009, 09:51 AM

Very cool video,5 stars.

Jeff Lee · 10-28-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Strittan

I may have got things wrong, but I thought drag racers did not use the clutch while shifting. I thought that's why it seems they're pulling the stick so damn hard, and as mentioned it doesn't look like the guy in that Nova (or any other guy I've watched for that matter) moves his leg at all.

I get what you're saying Jeff, but I think you should see at least a trace of movement if he used the clutch.

I may still be wrong though...

James is amazingly quick with that heel / toe movement. Aren't any of you guys old enough to remember "Kung-**" with David Caradine? "Snatch the pebble from my hand and you may go" That took years of persistently hard work but finally little grasshopper was ready to leave.
The life long dedication and refinement of the art of shifting is demonstrated here for all the world to view. James has elevated his art to such a higher standard that many may not even recognize what they are witnessing. It's sad but it's just a fact of life that many can't appreciate what they are witnessing.

Ken Haase · 10-28-2009, 01:07 PM

Jeff, I was able to appreciate Jim's more conventional(ie.pre-historic) operation of the clutch pedal as he shifted coming back on the return road. Undoubtedly due to the lower RPM. And concern for his passenger,LOL. Of course, my 60+ year old eyes don't catch everything. These video's definitely make me lust for that additional pedal in my car.

I was curious about one thing though. What is the purpose of the repeated clutch action as he is staging? Or am I just a confused old man?

Greg Barsamian · 10-28-2009, 02:06 PM

So thats why those guys had so many women at the end of the pits at Indy!

"Chicks dig Sticks"

Mike Voth · 10-28-2009, 03:05 PM

Ken,
After pre-stage, a stick racer sets the brake pressure and uses the linelock to hold the pressure. "Bumping" the clutch allows the driving to stage the car under light brake pressure. I'm assuming this is what you're referring to???

Ken Haase · 10-28-2009, 11:10 PM

Yep. Thanks Mike. I thought that was probably it, but it seemed a little 'exagerrated' or something. I better go watch it again. I might learn something.

Jeff Lee · 10-28-2009, 11:27 PM

If you have to REALLY bump it in, you might have the brake pressure too high. 50-75 pounds is plenty to keep the car from moving forward as long as you have adequate air-gap. If you have a really tight air-gap it may require more brake pressure to hold the car on the line as you go WOT.

Dinsdale · 10-29-2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

James is amazingly quick with that heel / toe movement. Aren't any of you guys old enough to remember "Kung-**" with David Caradine? "Snatch the pebble from my hand and you may go" That took years of persistently hard work but finally little grasshopper was ready to leave.
The life long dedication and refinement of the art of shifting is demonstrated here for all the world to view. James has elevated his art to such a higher standard that many may not even recognize what they are witnessing. It's sad but it's just a fact of life that many can't appreciate what they are witnessing.

This is the first (and maybe last) time I call B.S. on Jeff's comments! I hope no one is buying this since almost all the stock and S/S guys I know don't clutch. It is against the rules BTW but everyone does it. Most race trans may not like not using the clutch but it will go into gear just fine. I've heard it's good for a tenth. I stab my clutch because I can't help myself. Can't say if it's actually releasing or not but my trans is relatively happy. The hemi stick car runs a G-Force and I have a Jerico. McLeod's in both.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/973-137_709593.htm

10-28-2009, 05:55 AM	#1
Strittan Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sweden Posts: 61 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed I may have got things wrong, but I thought drag racers did not use the clutch while shifting. I thought that's why it seems they're pulling the stick so damn hard, and as mentioned it doesn't look like the guy in that Nova (or any other guy I've watched for that matter) moves his leg at all. I get what you're saying Jeff, but I think you should see at least a trace of movement if he used the clutch. I may still be wrong though...

10-28-2009, 09:41 AM	#2
Harry 6674 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 589 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed I know its not recommened but some people still shift against the rev limiter.

10-28-2009, 09:51 AM	#3
Aaron Keown Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 1710 Dutch Lane,Jeffersonville,IN Posts: 63 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed Very cool video,5 stars.

10-28-2009, 01:07 PM	#5
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed Jeff, I was able to appreciate Jim's more conventional(ie.pre-historic) operation of the clutch pedal as he shifted coming back on the return road. Undoubtedly due to the lower RPM. And concern for his passenger,LOL. Of course, my 60+ year old eyes don't catch everything. These video's definitely make me lust for that additional pedal in my car. I was curious about one thing though. What is the purpose of the repeated clutch action as he is staging? Or am I just a confused old man?

10-28-2009, 02:06 PM	#6
Greg Barsamian VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Massachusetts Posts: 1,400 Likes: 714 Liked 417 Times in 96 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed So thats why those guys had so many women at the end of the pits at Indy! "Chicks dig Sticks"

10-28-2009, 03:05 PM	#7
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 527 Likes: 5 Liked 57 Times in 14 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed Ken, After pre-stage, a stick racer sets the brake pressure and uses the linelock to hold the pressure. "Bumping" the clutch allows the driving to stage the car under light brake pressure. I'm assuming this is what you're referring to??? __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

10-28-2009, 11:10 PM	#8
Ken Haase Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 233 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed Yep. Thanks Mike. I thought that was probably it, but it seemed a little 'exagerrated' or something. I better go watch it again. I might learn something.

10-28-2009, 11:27 PM	#9
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Ride-Along Video In a J/Stock Chevy II 4-Speed If you have to REALLY bump it in, you might have the brake pressure too high. 50-75 pounds is plenty to keep the car from moving forward as long as you have adequate air-gap. If you have a really tight air-gap it may require more brake pressure to hold the car on the line as you go WOT. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX