IHRA tournament of Champions

Pugsley · 11-01-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield
And supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary.

I suppose I may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but I will support it 100%. So I guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way Jason, the top 3 in each division make it to Rockingham, not 2.
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Lucky Dog Racing
2007 IHRA Hot Rod World Champion

Jeff Beckman · 11-01-2009, 04:46 PM

Clearly no one answer will ever suffice for you all. No matter what decision was made then,or will be made now will go without controversy. When we race we take chances, when promoters put races together, they gamble. If we all pi$$ and moan enough, no one will organize races. Then, we will have plenty of time to be back seat drivers.

I also believe the powers that be made a ton of crap decisions. Maybe some should step aside. But at least us racers should come to terms with the fact that any decision hurts/angers someone. I'll bet I could pick any 10 racers, and could not get you to agree on a cup of coffee. Human Nature, please guys, dont kill another sanctioning body. If you race, be productive. Write to IHRA and be candid, If you think Scooter should go, write IHRA and tell them that. If you have the Ideal way to resolve this pickel, write to IHRA.

Everyone knows driving from Minnesota to Richmond for not sucks, nothing new or productive. Not a racer on this site with a heart thinks that dont stink. But it is what it is, Try to give good ideas and a positive momentum to this.

Old people will stand in line to Bitch. We'll all be old soon enough.

luckydog · 11-01-2009, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsley

quote:
Originally posted by jason oldfield
and supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it one hundred percent! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary.

I suppose i may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but i will support it 100%. So i guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way jason, the top 3 in each division make it to rockingham, not 2.
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damien hazelton
lucky dog racing
2007 ihra hot rod world champion

huh? I don't get it Pug?

mcaruso · 11-02-2009, 10:07 AM

Here's a BRILLIANT idea.......

Why not give the racers points for each round they won @ a predetermined amount of regional & national races, see who has the most points and determine a champ for each class based on his accomplishments for the SEASON & call him/her the WORLD Champ?!

I can't believe NO one has ever thought of this?! BRILLIANT!

Michael Beard · 11-02-2009, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mcaruso

Here's a BRILLIANT idea.......

Why not give the racers points for each round they won @ a predetermined amount of regional & national races, see who has the most points and determine a champ for each class based on his accomplishments for the SEASON & call him/her the WORLD Champ?!

I can't believe NO one has ever thought of this?! BRILLIANT!

That's what we used to do. That, however, is not the rules that were set before us for the 2009 season. I won the first National event I went to, and because of that I didn't chase any more. Regardless of what we think of rules, one way or the other, they should be followed.

If they want to do that for 2010, that's fine. "Tell me what the rules of the playground are, and I'll go play on it."

THE LEGEND · 11-02-2009, 11:21 AM

Marc,
Going back to the old points now would be a slap in the face. Now in 2010 if they put in the rules that if TOC is rained out they will go figure the old points I would be fine with that. Like Beard said, I only ran 2 nationals because I was going to be in.
The race must be finished.
Chip

mcaruso · 11-02-2009, 11:31 AM

just having some fun....

Jason Oldfield · 11-02-2009, 09:03 PM

Damien,

Pugsley is calling you out because you're now saying that you dislike the TOC format, but back when we first had the discussion about it you said you liked it 97.75691%.

As for the IHRA and TOC race, split the money to those that showed up and move on in life. This race is not going to be run in 2009, and the IHRA as we knew it is dead. They're nothing but a glorified monster truck show with drag cars. If you want to support an alternative sanctioning body to NHRA, support the new AHRA which appears will be contesting all of the usual sportsman classes. They can't possibly do any worse of a job that what IHRA management did.

Why they ran the Sportsnationals race on the same weekend is beyond me. If you want to make it lucrative for racers to come down (2 for 1), run the Sportsnationals race AFTER the TOC, and give the winner of that race entry into the 2010 TOC race. Get the important business out of the way, and leave time for the fun race, weather and time permitting.

And you can't go back to figuring out points after the fact. People won their entry to the TOC and stopped going to additional events. So, you can't penalize them because they won early.

If this race is going to be run in 2010, why bother. To crown the 2009 champions? Yeah, congratulations. You get to enjoy being the champ for all of a week until the next Nitro Jam event (they're not called "National Events" anymore, because they're not events, just circus side shows). No awards ceremony or pomp and circumstance for you. Here's your dumb dusty trophy from last year and a check, now get out of our face. You may as well just make it like any other race, and if you want to make it extra special, double the payout. Though I doubt that will happen.

Here's another idea - how about if IHRA does reschedule the race eventually (according to the Mayan's, after 12/21/2012 should be free for everybody), why doesn't IHRA offer up tow money to all the competitors that made the trip the first time? Yeah, I'll hold my breath waiting for that one.

This fiasco doesn't affect me in the least, other than the fact that I'm tired of seeing my sportsman racing brethren getting ***** upon.

And I thought it couldn't get any worse than NHRA's management...

11-01-2009, 01:59 PM	#1
Pugsley Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Almont, Michigan Posts: 2 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Quote: Originally Posted by Jason Oldfield And supporting the new system 100% means just that - supporting it ONE HUNDRED PERCENT! If you are saying that the system needs some tweaking, then that means you're not behind it 100%. You may still generally like the new format, maybe 80% or 90%, but not 100%. 100% implies no changes are necessary. I suppose I may have been a little vague with my statement. I do not agree 100% with the format (about 95%), but I will support it 100%. So I guess that makes it like 97.75691% is that better? By the way Jason, the top 3 in each division make it to Rockingham, not 2. __________________ Damien Hazelton Lucky Dog Racing 2007 IHRA Hot Rod World Champion

11-01-2009, 04:46 PM	#2
Jeff Beckman Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Columbus Ohio Posts: 308 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Clearly no one answer will ever suffice for you all. No matter what decision was made then,or will be made now will go without controversy. When we race we take chances, when promoters put races together, they gamble. If we all pi$$ and moan enough, no one will organize races. Then, we will have plenty of time to be back seat drivers. I also believe the powers that be made a ton of crap decisions. Maybe some should step aside. But at least us racers should come to terms with the fact that any decision hurts/angers someone. I'll bet I could pick any 10 racers, and could not get you to agree on a cup of coffee. Human Nature, please guys, dont kill another sanctioning body. If you race, be productive. Write to IHRA and be candid, If you think Scooter should go, write IHRA and tell them that. If you have the Ideal way to resolve this pickel, write to IHRA. Everyone knows driving from Minnesota to Richmond for not sucks, nothing new or productive. Not a racer on this site with a heart thinks that dont stink. But it is what it is, Try to give good ideas and a positive momentum to this. Old people will stand in line to Bitch. We'll all be old soon enough. __________________ Jeff Beckman 318J ET, SG 318T SC

11-02-2009, 10:07 AM	#4
mcaruso Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canandaigua, NY Posts: 311 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Here's a BRILLIANT idea....... Why not give the racers points for each round they won @ a predetermined amount of regional & national races, see who has the most points and determine a champ for each class based on his accomplishments for the SEASON & call him/her the WORLD Champ?! I can't believe NO one has ever thought of this?! BRILLIANT! __________________ Marc Caruso S/G 132 S/C C132

11-02-2009, 11:21 AM	#6
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Marc, Going back to the old points now would be a slap in the face. Now in 2010 if they put in the rules that if TOC is rained out they will go figure the old points I would be fine with that. Like Beard said, I only ran 2 nationals because I was going to be in. The race must be finished. Chip

11-02-2009, 11:31 AM	#7
mcaruso Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Canandaigua, NY Posts: 311 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions just having some fun.... __________________ Marc Caruso S/G 132 S/C C132

11-02-2009, 09:03 PM	#8
Jason Oldfield Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 619 Likes: 1 Liked 10 Times in 4 Posts	Re: IHRA tournament of Champions Damien, Pugsley is calling you out because you're now saying that you dislike the TOC format, but back when we first had the discussion about it you said you liked it 97.75691%. As for the IHRA and TOC race, split the money to those that showed up and move on in life. This race is not going to be run in 2009, and the IHRA as we knew it is dead. They're nothing but a glorified monster truck show with drag cars. If you want to support an alternative sanctioning body to NHRA, support the new AHRA which appears will be contesting all of the usual sportsman classes. They can't possibly do any worse of a job that what IHRA management did. Why they ran the Sportsnationals race on the same weekend is beyond me. If you want to make it lucrative for racers to come down (2 for 1), run the Sportsnationals race AFTER the TOC, and give the winner of that race entry into the 2010 TOC race. Get the important business out of the way, and leave time for the fun race, weather and time permitting. And you can't go back to figuring out points after the fact. People won their entry to the TOC and stopped going to additional events. So, you can't penalize them because they won early. If this race is going to be run in 2010, why bother. To crown the 2009 champions? Yeah, congratulations. You get to enjoy being the champ for all of a week until the next Nitro Jam event (they're not called "National Events" anymore, because they're not events, just circus side shows). No awards ceremony or pomp and circumstance for you. Here's your dumb dusty trophy from last year and a check, now get out of our face. You may as well just make it like any other race, and if you want to make it extra special, double the payout. Though I doubt that will happen. Here's another idea - how about if IHRA does reschedule the race eventually (according to the Mayan's, after 12/21/2012 should be free for everybody), why doesn't IHRA offer up tow money to all the competitors that made the trip the first time? Yeah, I'll hold my breath waiting for that one. This fiasco doesn't affect me in the least, other than the fact that I'm tired of seeing my sportsman racing brethren getting ***** upon. And I thought it couldn't get any worse than NHRA's management... __________________ Jason Oldfield S/G & S/St 1838