Economy vs. Economics

J Kuchel · 11-17-2009, 06:48 AM

Pat well said. Hope someone with some pull will read your post.

Michael Lyons · 11-17-2009, 07:11 AM

I say we start a petition to elect Pat Joffrion for chairman of the board at NHRA! I'll be the first to sign it!

Bruce Noland · 11-17-2009, 07:43 AM

Pat,

I agree with your economics tutorial. But the track owners can or should adopt and enforce a uniform set of safety standards for our race cars. In fact, that being said, why are tracks that do not host national events still paying nhra money? nhra appears to be hurting your business. I know they are the "brand" name, however people all over the world are finding out that brand names are not what they are cracked up to be. Times have changed but nhra has not. All the tracks that do not host national events could set up a federation and network their computers systems to help push drag racing into the 21st century. 95% of your customers are already in the 21st century. Why drag along a belligerent bunch of money grubbers?

X-TECH MAN · 11-17-2009, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael Lyons

I say we start a petition to elect Pat Joffrion for chairman of the board at NHRA! I'll be the first to sign it!

I second it. Never met the man but hear many good things about him.

njk53 · 11-17-2009, 10:16 AM

Pat, you couldn't have stated it any better. As far as sportsman racer, we all have an income range that allows us to participate in NHRA events. Some have higher incomes, some lower. When prices are raised, there will be racers at the bottom of that income range who decides it is no longer economically worth their time, money, and effort to participate in NHRA events. They will go elsewhere to race, reduce their racing schedules, or quit all together. When the prices are lower, you not only keep that group of people racing, you attract new racers because it is now economically viable for them to join and race in the NHRA.

The NHRA has to start from within. They need to cut internal operating costs which includes wages. In turn they can lower all fees associated with racing which will attract more racers.

treessavoy · 11-17-2009, 01:01 PM

Perhaps copies of Mr. Joffroin's analysis should be sent to the NHRA leadership so that they can understand how to actually run a business correctly!

JimR

John Lang · 11-17-2009, 01:49 PM

WHAT EVER PAT SAID, X-------100"s, But then again they have never listened , why would they start now ?
What Pat and the others said, I agree with and hope someone in GLENDORA gets off thier butts and does something soon !
I just hope I live long enough to see it , and still be Racing.......Later John

Michael Beard · 11-17-2009, 02:00 PM

I had let my NHRA membership go for several years, and just joined again last summer. I signed up for two years at the time. Then, they jacked the fees, and because of this, when my membership is up, it will lapse once again.

Ironically, when trying to listen to the Audiocast this weekend, the login told me that my membership was expired, even though it's good til next August. Wow... "how to make friends and influence people"...

We need more Pat Joffrions.

Jeff Colvert · 11-17-2009, 02:37 PM

Chairman heck, I'll vote Pat for President!! Sack of Mud Bugs in every pot. Thanks Pat for looking out for our sport & drivers.

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

Urraco · 11-17-2009, 10:30 PM

If NHRA cared about the little guys it would be different, but they dont.

11-17-2009, 06:48 AM	#1
J Kuchel Banned Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sterling,Illinois Posts: 111 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Pat well said. Hope someone with some pull will read your post.

11-17-2009, 07:11 AM	#2
Michael Lyons Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Garden City, MI Posts: 226 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics I say we start a petition to elect Pat Joffrion for chairman of the board at NHRA! I'll be the first to sign it!

11-17-2009, 07:43 AM	#3
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Pat, I agree with your economics tutorial. But the track owners can or should adopt and enforce a uniform set of safety standards for our race cars. In fact, that being said, why are tracks that do not host national events still paying nhra money? nhra appears to be hurting your business. I know they are the "brand" name, however people all over the world are finding out that brand names are not what they are cracked up to be. Times have changed but nhra has not. All the tracks that do not host national events could set up a federation and network their computers systems to help push drag racing into the 21st century. 95% of your customers are already in the 21st century. Why drag along a belligerent bunch of money grubbers? __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK Last edited by Bruce Noland; 11-17-2009 at 09:38 AM.

11-17-2009, 10:16 AM	#5
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Pat, you couldn't have stated it any better. As far as sportsman racer, we all have an income range that allows us to participate in NHRA events. Some have higher incomes, some lower. When prices are raised, there will be racers at the bottom of that income range who decides it is no longer economically worth their time, money, and effort to participate in NHRA events. They will go elsewhere to race, reduce their racing schedules, or quit all together. When the prices are lower, you not only keep that group of people racing, you attract new racers because it is now economically viable for them to join and race in the NHRA. The NHRA has to start from within. They need to cut internal operating costs which includes wages. In turn they can lower all fees associated with racing which will attract more racers. __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345 Last edited by njk53; 11-17-2009 at 10:18 AM.

11-17-2009, 01:01 PM	#6
treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Perhaps copies of Mr. Joffroin's analysis should be sent to the NHRA leadership so that they can understand how to actually run a business correctly! JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

11-17-2009, 01:49 PM	#7
John Lang Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sheboygan Wi Posts: 391 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics WHAT EVER PAT SAID, X-------100"s, But then again they have never listened , why would they start now ? What Pat and the others said, I agree with and hope someone in GLENDORA gets off thier butts and does something soon ! I just hope I live long enough to see it , and still be Racing.......Later John __________________ John Lang 365 STK, SS

11-17-2009, 02:00 PM	#8
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics I had let my NHRA membership go for several years, and just joined again last summer. I signed up for two years at the time. Then, they jacked the fees, and because of this, when my membership is up, it will lapse once again. Ironically, when trying to listen to the Audiocast this weekend, the login told me that my membership was expired, even though it's good til next August. Wow... "how to make friends and influence people"... We need more Pat Joffrions. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

11-17-2009, 02:37 PM	#9
Jeff Colvert Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkadelphia, AR Posts: 289 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics Chairman heck, I'll vote Pat for President!! Sack of Mud Bugs in every pot. Thanks Pat for looking out for our sport & drivers. Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456

11-17-2009, 10:30 PM	#10
Urraco Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 66 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Economy vs. Economics If NHRA cared about the little guys it would be different, but they dont.