Clutchless tranny in S/S?

Super Sport · 11-27-2009, 10:02 AM

So what do the S/S stick racers do before Pomona? Refresh their clutch assisted 4-speed and hope the the rule is not changed at the end of December? Or do they buy a clutchless and do some testing, just in case?

Stupid thread? This thread was started to try and get a definite answer since the next season is fast approaching. Some racers do plan ahead!

Bill Harris · 11-27-2009, 11:17 AM

If you want an "definite answer" to a question like that, why would you ask the people on this forum? The NHRA isn't a democracy run by the folks in the forum, its a autocratic organization that sets the rules that we have to go by. The rules are in the rulebook. The "tech department" guys at a race don't set the rules either, they enforce the rules that are in the rulebook.

If you really wanted to challenge the rule that is published in the rulebook, you should ask the guy who makes the rules, the NHRA tech director.

Tony Janes · 11-27-2009, 12:14 PM

The rules for Super Stock and Stock are made by the commitee of five, not the national tech director, these do not include safety rules.

BlueOval Ralph · 12-05-2009, 05:00 PM

Doe's anyone know who the FIVE are????
Danny
Bob Lang?
Please fill in the blanks!
Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony Janes

The rules for Super Stock and Stock are made by the commitee of five, not the national tech director, these do not include safety rules.

Tony Janes · 12-05-2009, 06:31 PM

It is now six people: Dave Mohn, Bill Holt, Bob Blackwell, Bruce Bachelder, Bob Lang and the committee chairman Pat Cvengros. This information can be found on the NHRA site under Competition, Rules Committee

charlie westcott · 12-06-2009, 03:07 PM

I dont really get what is stupid about this thread. Bruce told me more than once that it was a done deal. He said "clutchless prohibited" was going to be deleted, whis meant that it was allowed, than he told me the were going to try to change the line to "clutchless permitted". This conversation happened within the last month.

I was also told that the S/SS comittee consisted of Bruce an Danny, thats it. Another Tech guy told me that.

cw

SuperStockDodge · 12-06-2009, 04:14 PM

Well heck, maybe it can be revised to "clutch cars" prohibited and not even have a manual transmission/clutch, flywheel, flywheel shield rule in section 6 of the NHRA bible and all the manual transmission cars will have have no choice other than to run a slush pump, since hardly anyone (not everyone) wants to race a stick car like it is intended to be driven in Super Stock, as well as Stock Eliminator.

Tony Janes · 11-27-2009, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Super Sport

So what do the S/S stick racers do before Pomona? Refresh their clutch assisted 4-speed and hope the the rule is not changed at the end of December? Or do they buy a clutchless and do some testing, just in case?

Stupid thread? This thread was started to try and get a definite answer since the next season is fast approaching. Some racers do plan ahead!

Why would you change it? Do you have a better chance winning with a clutchess over a clutch assisted. If the rules change you can buy it later.

Stephen & Horace Johnson · 11-30-2009, 05:24 PM

We were told the clutchless trans will not be legal by a couple of tech officials...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Stephen Johnson #2162
Horace Johnson #2167
SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

Rich Wallin · 11-30-2009, 08:38 PM

Steve / Horace great job with the old FE motor - quite an accomplishment, can't beat old age and treachery - hey Horace.

I use my clutch pedal for economic reasons - keeps the run interesting as well

11-27-2009, 10:02 AM	#1
Super Sport Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 73 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? So what do the S/S stick racers do before Pomona? Refresh their clutch assisted 4-speed and hope the the rule is not changed at the end of December? Or do they buy a clutchless and do some testing, just in case? Stupid thread? This thread was started to try and get a definite answer since the next season is fast approaching. Some racers do plan ahead!

11-27-2009, 12:14 PM	#3
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? The rules for Super Stock and Stock are made by the commitee of five, not the national tech director, these do not include safety rules. __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-05-2009, 06:31 PM	#5
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? It is now six people: Dave Mohn, Bill Holt, Bob Blackwell, Bruce Bachelder, Bob Lang and the committee chairman Pat Cvengros. This information can be found on the NHRA site under Competition, Rules Committee __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-06-2009, 03:07 PM	#6
charlie westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 131 Likes: 0 Liked 216 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? I dont really get what is stupid about this thread. Bruce told me more than once that it was a done deal. He said "clutchless prohibited" was going to be deleted, whis meant that it was allowed, than he told me the were going to try to change the line to "clutchless permitted". This conversation happened within the last month. I was also told that the S/SS comittee consisted of Bruce an Danny, thats it. Another Tech guy told me that. cw

12-06-2009, 04:14 PM	#7
SuperStockDodge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Stickville USA Posts: 261 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? Well heck, maybe it can be revised to "clutch cars" prohibited and not even have a manual transmission/clutch, flywheel, flywheel shield rule in section 6 of the NHRA bible and all the manual transmission cars will have have no choice other than to run a slush pump, since hardly anyone (not everyone) wants to race a stick car like it is intended to be driven in Super Stock, as well as Stock Eliminator. __________________ Sean Fischer 5864 SS/E

11-27-2009, 11:17 AM	#2
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? If you want an "definite answer" to a question like that, why would you ask the people on this forum? The NHRA isn't a democracy run by the folks in the forum, its a autocratic organization that sets the rules that we have to go by. The rules are in the rulebook. The "tech department" guys at a race don't set the rules either, they enforce the rules that are in the rulebook. If you really wanted to challenge the rule that is published in the rulebook, you should ask the guy who makes the rules, the NHRA tech director. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S

11-30-2009, 05:24 PM	#9
Stephen & Horace Johnson Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 964 Likes: 345 Liked 163 Times in 53 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? We were told the clutchless trans will not be legal by a couple of tech officials...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Stephen Johnson #2162 Horace Johnson #2167 SS/D 427 Ford Fairlane NHRA-IHRA

11-30-2009, 08:38 PM	#10
Rich Wallin Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Farmington Hills, Mich Posts: 55 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Clutchless tranny in S/S? Steve / Horace great job with the old FE motor - quite an accomplishment, can't beat old age and treachery - hey Horace. I use my clutch pedal for economic reasons - keeps the run interesting as well